AJs flops a FD + gutshot ($27)

[taipan168]

UTG+1's stats were 38/31, BB's were 38/19. Raise preflop? As played, what is your flop move? Lead or check with the intention of raising?

PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em, 27 Tournament, 25/50 Blinds (8 handed) - Poker-Stars Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com

Hero (SB) (t1995)
BB (t955)
UTG (t1455)
UTG+1 (t1285)
MP1 (t2795)
MP2 (t1380)
CO (t1425)
Button (t2210)

Hero's M: 26.60

Preflop: Hero is SB with A, J
1 fold, UTG+1 calls t50, 4 folds, Hero calls t25, BB checks

Flop: (t150) 8, K, Q (3 players)
Hero ????

[Alpine021]

I'd complete from SB as well. Not loving AJ or AJs OOP. Looking to smash the flop and lets be honest - this flop couldn't be better. I say that because on a J high dry flop or a flopped flush you are unlikely to get paid and maybe in trouble on a J high flop on later streets.

But this flop has probably hit the UTG+1 loose opponent smack in the face. Anybody with any K10 / KQ sort of hand or J10 are not going anywhere. And any heart or 10 gives u the nuts (apart from Kh). Nice.

I wouldn't even get fancy I'd lead out for sure and you'll almost certain to get at least one caller and hopefully both. Plus it would be horrible to get 2 checks behind. Maybe 100 or 120ish.

Even if the turn bricks I'd still be firing again and shoving over if I get raised on the flop. A chance to win a big pot over 2 streets against loose players is a great situation.

[baudib]

I'd complete in the SB, on an A-high board you have the nuts in a limped pot and are likely to get paid. I'd look to check-raise and try to get the money in on the flop.

[SMRZ]

With blinds still low, I always like to complete Axs with the intent of hitting the the nut flush draw.

I also like the chk/raise on the flop. And a value bet on the turn if everyone checks.

[d0zer]

Am I crazy for really wanting to raise pre?

I also wanna bet / 3b this flop

[drmcboy]

I'd raise pre but I think either is OK. I disagree with the idea we get paid a lot of money on Axx flops playing it this way. whatever a 38/31 limps with UTG I doubt it is Ax.

I would lead out now, you'll fold better sometimes and set up a lot of turn folds vs Qx or worse. Also there is no chance you get Kx to fold to a CR but you might if they make a small raise on the flop.

[Alpine021]

I know what you mean about CR on the flop but I think there is a chance of stacking UTG+1 that you might blow off the pot with a CR. And that's IF he bets.

Our lead on the flop looks like a probe bet with maybe a K or Q no kicker as we only completed from SB so some1 is quite likely to raise us especially UTG+1 if he thinks he has us outkicked. Also this way if he flats we could check on the turn to induce a bluff especially if we hit and also he might try and represent if a heart drops.

Slightly more risky line to take but not really. I'd definitely be looking to stack someone here.

[drmcboy]

I said we should lead so I'm not sure where our lines differ.

what hand are you worried we will blow him off? Sure we're ahead of a pair sometimes but you still want them to fold.

[baudib]

I misread the history, I thought it was 4 players to the flop...with only 3 I like leading out. In general though, while we have a ton of quity, having FE is still good as we're not getting paid a ton if a heart hits the turn and we're lost on an A-turn.

[Alpine021]

drmc at the time I clicked reply your post wasn't there that's all so no our lines don't differ, lol.

As for blowing hands off I just think a CR might make something like QJ or Q10 fold.. I want to get more than 1 bet out of him.

[baudib]

as strong as our draw is, it's just a draw...getting Qx to fold the flop is a good result when we're oop.

[taipan168]

With this hand, don't we want to try to get all our money in on the flop one way or the other? If we bet and nobody raises, we just lost half our equity in the hand (assuming of course that we don't hit on the turn). Plus as baudib says, isn't folding out a hand that we're 50/50 against a good outcome?

[Alpine021]

It is and it isn't. Obviously it is in that as mentioned - we are still only drawing - but I just think it's almost impossible to put us on our hand so if we do miss and fire again on a turn of say 2c then any half decent villain must think we've completely smashed the flop i.e. a set, KQ for 2 pair or whatever

Think of the hand from their point of view. We only complete pre, then we lead into 2 players on a coordinated flop. Then get called and lead out again on a blank turn (a big bet). This would throw most players and probably get a fold.

Should they put us on a draw from the start and call our turn bet or shove I'd still call. We have upto 17 outs as there is a chance an Ace is an out. We even have 7 outs against a flopped or turned set.
So all this combined with FE on even a blank turn makes it a good move for me. And that's if we MISS.

But yeah if we can get it in on the flop it would be even better.

[pccarballo]

I would be completing AJs too preflop. Getting to get all the chips on flop. I think leading is better so you can 3bet shove and have some FE.

[Nakamura]

Thinking somewhat abstractly what about a check-call, C-R on the turn? This portraits more strength and generally makes opps disregard draws from Hero's hand. Anyway, Qx will almost certainly fold to this line and you may just fold Kx too. The only down side is you will probably be pot committed on the turn.

[rong]

Now admittedly I'm out of practice with SnG's, and my ring games experienced may be twisting my thinking here, but UTG+1 limping, more than likely this is a small to medium pp(?), in which case we should raise from the SB, prob get only the 1 caller, and we get first shot at raising on the flop, to which his med pp will miss like 88% of the time.

[baudib]

I don't see a 38/31 folding any Kx after betting the flop and turn.

[TLR]

I am probably raising it preflop, but I can see the logic of a flat call.

I am kind of torn between leading out and checking.
Leading out may win the pot right there and may set us up to win a big pot if we hit, however if we get a caller and miss on the turn we are kind of in a tough spot.

Checking may lead to two scenarios - it may get checked around, and then we get a free card to hit our hand, if we hit it may decrease our chances of getting paid off; or we may get bet into and raise, we get more hands that are currently ahead of us to fold this way, however if we get called we are more commited to the hand and have an even tougher decision on the turn (if we miss)

[drmcboy]

If you get called on the flop bet the turn.