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tricky flop decision with aces.

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  1. #1

    Default tricky flop decision with aces.

    to call or not to call? both players were bad by the way, but i didnt know this at the time.

    PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em, 6.5 Tournament, 15/30 Blinds (8 handed) - Poker-Stars Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com

    SB (t1570)
    BB (t1400)
    Hero (UTG) (t1635)
    UTG+1 (t1510)
    MP1 (t3060)
    MP2 (t1400)
    CO (t1505)
    Button (t1420)

    Hero's M: 36.33

    Preflop: Hero is UTG with ,
    Hero bets t120, 1 fold, MP1 calls t120, 1 fold, CO calls t120, 3 folds

    Flop: (t405) , , (3 players)
    Hero bets t270, MP1 calls t270, CO raises to t1385 (All-In), Hero ????
  2. #2
    This early I would likely lay it down with no reads. If I suspect CO is a donk, he could easily have top pair or a draw.
  3. #3
    Snapcall. The fact that the pot was raised preflop makes 2-pair hands unlikely. If he has a set, that's a cooler, but he has random Q, second pair, bluff, draw etc. much more often.
  4. #4
    Good point. I will have to look at this differently from now on.
  5. #5
    I 'd call. I Have seen many times AQ, KQ, QJ, draws and any kind of junk you can imagine. Every now and then you will lose from a set or two pair, but despite the fact that you have outs even then, it doesnt happen so often to make calling not profitable.
  6. #6
    Easy snap call...QQT flop and i would consider folding... I cant put aces down with that flop...
  7. #7
    Insta call for me too. If the flop was KQJ one suit (and neither of my aces was of that suit) then I'd consider folding but as Fielmann said, if we're beat on this flop then that's just a cooler.
  8. #8
    Definitely call, This kind of push is almost always Qx or some type of a draw, He may have QT but it is not likely, and while it is possible he has Ts or 2s (with Qs he would reraise preflop probably) I think you are well ahead of his range


  9. #9
    so im to pay no extra caution to the player in mp1 who flat called my flop bet?

    is our line the same at higher stakes?
  10. #10
    Quote Originally Posted by ed cooper View Post
    so im to pay no extra caution to the player in mp1 who flat called my flop bet?
    Nope, I'm not worried at all, unless you have a very very solid read that this player would never flat call with anything that you beat

    Quote Originally Posted by ed cooper View Post
    is our line the same at higher stakes?
    Can't comment on anything above $38 but I'd have to have a very very good read over many hands to fold this (and it would only be against 2+2 type multitablers that I'd fold).
  11. #11
    ed if the dude who called had a set, so be it. good play on his part to just call along on a flop this dry. I'm guessing this is what happened from your comment, but no on a flop like this we fear no one without an incredible read. people make these kinds of moves with so many hands that we're crushing, how are you going to lay this down?
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  12. #12
    Consensus is that this is an easy call. You beat more hands that he has than those that beat you.

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