100nl - cool story bro

[Micro2Macro]

this guy is 25/17 over 130 hands so far. he hasn't really been that aggressive.

bet flop %: 35% (7/20)
turn bet % 18% (2/11)
river bet % 13% (1/8)

I know this is a small sample but haven't really seen anyone include the above stats like this before when posting so I thought it might be cool to include them for the sake of discussion. I do believe that having something like 1,000 hands or more would be ideal for looking at this but that's all I have to work with. I think what I have so far will give a general indication of this players style (i.e. likely an inbalance in leading range, more likely to c/c medium strength hands (and draws?) as opposed to taking the initiative).

I'm predicting the general consensus among you will be to call. Tbh I feel like folding the turn *vs this particular player*. Call me results oriented but I swear this is a set like 80% of the time. If only I had millions of hands to filter out the exact spot to go about proving it. I mean seriously, at SSFR EVERYONE leads sets and barely anyone leads top pair because if they c/c they can pick off your cbet (I'm assuming that is their logic, not that I entirely agree..)

meh I've rambled on a bit what do you guys think? turn sizing is also interesting cuz im pretty sure most SSFR players are going to make their bet sizes smaller with weaker hands vs unknowns in this spot, again adding to severe lack of balance etc...

if this hh is retarded we can just talk about something else, like balance perhaps. Or tits.


PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em, $1.00 BB (9 handed) - Poker-Stars Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com

SB ($244.95)
BB ($110.45)
UTG ($120.15)
UTG+1 ($75.65)
MP1 ($100)
MP2 ($100)
Hero (MP3) ($100)
CO ($136.30)
Button ($103)

Preflop: Hero is MP3 with K, K
4 folds, Hero bets $3, 2 folds, SB calls $2.50, BB calls $2

Flop: ($9) 6, 9, Q (3 players)
SB checks, BB bets $6, Hero calls $6, 1 fold

Turn: ($21) 2 (2 players)
BB bets $15, Hero.

[caddie444]

Meh I personally just call down unless like he monkey shoves river and note him up. The fact that he fires turn again may mean he's trying to price out your flush draw since the 2 doesn't help your range at all and he may think you raise overpairs on the flop.

[Micro2Macro]

Yeah my plan was to call and shove the Kc river , and fold to further action.

[mrhappy333]

Why wouldn't you raise the Flop?

[FlyingSaucy]

The reasons I can think of to raise flop are for value and fd
protection. Probably not folding a strong Q, however thrs not a huge part of his range so you risk folding out his worse hands. I lean toward small raise but could see calling the flop as the best strat then raising on a later street if nothing hits in his range.

[pokerfan]

I don't mind being a total passive station here

[rpm]

doesnt donking the flop and leading the turn appear ridiculously strong to anyone else? i cant see him having AQ or a flush draw.

[caddie444]

doesnt donking the flop and leading the turn appear ridiculously strong to anyone else? i cant see him having AQ or a flush draw.

I've seen play Q8 like this

[caddie444]

I've seen play Q8 like this

wow its late

[Poker Guru]

Just call the turn and reevaluate the river. But usually I just call river too.

[Numbr2intheWorld]

id call turn. i fold to a big bet on the river.

[Deanglow]

Call turn and don't fold on good rivers

[daven]

call.

if this hh is retarded we can just talk about something else, like balance perhaps. Or tits.

with respect to tits, i like balance. And playing a wide range when appropriate (i.e. when i'm single)

[badgers]

Call turn and don't fold on good rivers

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[Renton]

I would call and call on any river, even flush completing or jt completing rivers. I guess I'd fold on the 8 of diamonds.

I would also raise the flop for sure. He has a decent queen a lot. He's not a tag, so u can't give him a sets/draw type range, and besides, there are only 2 sets he can have from preflop.

[paratrooper99]

does anyone think that an open of 4 bb standard would help this situation. Its only a dollar but with the sb out there, it makes things a little more pricey over time. Then the donk lead would need to be much larger. Maybe it is all relative but I dont like the 3xbb lead. What do you think

[rpm]

i am guessing m2m made it 3bb because he is going to be stealing with a very wide range of hands in the CO, so 3bb is a lower price to pay than 4 when he encounters resistance. if he changed his betsizing to 4bb only when he had a strong hand, players would notice. if he made his uniform size 4bb, he's more vulnerable because his range is weak. thats one reason not to make it 4bb, m2m's might be entirely different.

[phil8493]

I think raising the flop would help considerably. There are so many draws I'd like to tax more. What about raising turn to get some information + tax the draws -- I guess the logic against is his low turn bet %. In any event, I'd be staying w/ the hand unless 8d or Ad comes or something else weird happens.

[Micro2Macro]

open raise sizing preflop is a style thing, there's going to be pro's and con's to raising bigger or smaller and it will just depend on your range and the type of games you are in.