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Folding QQ at K high flop after full pot donk bet

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  1. #1

    Default Folding QQ at K high flop after full pot donk bet

    Again, ealry with no reads or stats on notes.

    UTG limps and calls my 5x bet (which by the way is bigger than usual due to one limper + to make it expensive to marginal but potentially dangerous hands to enter the pot)

    After the K high flop he bets full pot and I hate my life (for just a moment) and I fold.

    I am not sure if I was correct. I think to just call here is out of the question. It is either over shove or fold so I chose the latter.

    Opinions from the enlightened?

    Party Poker No-Limit Hold'em, 22 Tournament, 20/40 Blinds (9 handed) - Party-Poker Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com

    UTG (t2000)
    MP3 (t4760)
    MP1 (t2000)
    SB (t2040)
    UTG+1 (t1300)
    CO (t1980)
    BB (t2000)
    Button (t1920)
    Hero (MP2) (t2000)

    Hero's M: 33.33

    Preflop: Hero is MP2 with Q, Q
    UTG calls t40, 2 folds, Hero bets t200, 2 folds, Button calls t200, 2 folds, UTG calls t160

    Flop: (t660) 5, 2, K (3 players)
    UTG bets t660, Hero folds, 1 fold

    Total pot: t1320
  2. #2
    Hate this spot too, but I think I play it the same unless you have a read that he's bluffing when he hits the "bet pot" button. Too much chance of the guy having some crap like K9s IMO.
  3. #3
    I think that you have to fold too. He has very few hands he is betting for value in this spot that you beat. So he either has you crushed or he is bluffing. The chance of the latter is distinctly non-zero, I think, but unless you do have a read, it's not high enough to allow you to put any more money in this pot, especially with the button still to act.
  4. #4
    why do you need to push or fold?

    I'd call and call down, if he did this with TP+ good for him
  5. #5
    Quote Originally Posted by drmcboy View Post
    why do you need to push or fold?

    I'd call and call down, if he did this with TP+ good for him
    Can you explain a bit more? You mean that you would call anyway, or IF you decide to continue with the hand, then you would call it down?
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    Calling is awful, it's over 1/3 of your stack. No way I'd shove, too early for such craziness. Easy fold imo.
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  7. #7
    Seems like a standard fold to me


  8. #8
    I probably lean toward folding, but if you're going to continue I'd call. There's definitely merit to shoving all-in and I don't think it's wrong, but I feel like you're going to get all bluffs and weaker hands to fold while getting called by everything that beats you. So obviously if you call you are committing to calling the whole way and I think there's more value there than shoving.
  9. #9
    Quote Originally Posted by DanAronG View Post
    Calling is awful, it's over 1/3 of your stack. No way I'd shove, too early for such craziness. Easy fold imo.
    If you aren't going to fold, I can see the merit of calling rather than shoving over. You'd only ever call if the rest of your chips were going in regardless.
  10. #10
    Shoving is terribad, calling flop can be ok but here I'd just fold without reads of his donking strength


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  11. #11
    What hand do you need to call the flop bet? KQ+?

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