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    Default Advice on these please (90 KO)

    OK guys looking for line checks, bet sizing, etc...Some of these may be standard but sanity checks help also


    H1: Villain is 26/4 and dont have many hands with him. Looking back at the hand I probably could have bet bigger to protect against the FD. I have him on Qx or FD.

    Full Tilt No-Limit Hold'em, 26 Tournament, 30/60 Blinds (9 handed) - Full-Tilt Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com

    MP3 (t475)
    CO (t4080)
    Button (t1910)
    BB (t2435)
    UTG (t3550)
    UTG+1 (t2740)
    MP1 (t6040)
    Hero (MP2) (t2405)

    Hero's M: 26.72

    Preflop: Hero is MP2 with J, J
    1 fold, MP1 calls t60, Hero bets t240, 4 folds, UTG calls t180, MP1 calls t180

    Flop: (t750) 4, Q, 2 (3 players)
    UTG checks, MP1 checks, Hero bets t510, 1 fold, MP1 calls t510

    Turn: (t1770) 9 (2 players)
    MP1 checks, Hero bets t1655 (All-In), MP1 calls t1655

    River: (t5080) K (2 players, 1 all-in)

    Total pot: t5080


    H2: With 30BB I felt it was a bit large to just shove it in (although I will sometimes). When he fires 1/3 I don't really see a reason to raise and make him fold his weaker hands. I shoved turn thinking he invested too much to fold.

    Full Tilt No-Limit Hold'em, 26 Tournament, 50/100 Blinds (8 handed) - Full-Tilt Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com

    BB (t3875)
    UTG (t3975)
    UTG+1 (t2660)
    MP1 (t3235)
    MP2 (t3120)
    CO (t4305)
    Button (t2960)
    Hero (SB) (t2960)

    Hero's M: 19.73

    Preflop: Hero is SB with Q, A
    5 folds, Button bets t300, Hero calls t250, BB calls t200

    Flop: (t900) 2, A, 7 (3 players)
    Hero checks, BB checks, Button bets t300, Hero calls t300, 1 fold

    Turn: (t1500) 8 (2 players)
    Hero checks, Button bets t800, Hero raises to t2360 (All-In), Button calls t1560 (All-In)

    River: (t6220) 2 (2 players, 2 all-in)

    Total pot: t6220


    H3: Villain was 24/16 and once I raise I really can't see folding. What are the different options I could take with different bet sizing? I was thinking maybe raise to 3800 and fold to a jam but I think that would be spewy.

    Full Tilt No-Limit Hold'em, 26 Tournament, 300/600 Blinds 75 Ante (8 handed) - Full-Tilt Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com

    BB (t5167)
    UTG (t22589)
    UTG+1 (t3525)
    MP1 (t6530)
    MP2 (t7545)
    CO (t8690)
    Hero (Button) (t12294)
    SB (t9060)

    Hero's M: 8.20

    Preflop: Hero is Button with A, K
    UTG bets t1800, 4 folds, Hero raises to t4200, 2 folds, UTG raises to t22514 (All-In), Hero calls t8019 (All-In)

    Flop: (t25938) 3, Q, 8 (2 players, 2 all-in)

    Turn: (t25938) 3 (2 players, 2 all-in)

    River: (t25938) 9 (2 players, 2 all-in)

    Total pot: t25938


    H4: I think I would have liked betting around 4800 on flop. This way I would have a little under pot to shove none scary turns. Villain was 36/18 and figured straight draw, 9x, 8x are in his range, maybe even A high but I don't think too often. I am really curious if just c/c down is more profitable

    Full Tilt No-Limit Hold'em, 13 Tournament, 400/800 Blinds 100 Ante (6 handed) - Full-Tilt Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com

    Button (t5300)
    SB (t23044)
    BB (t6745)
    Hero (UTG) (t21226)
    MP (t11589)
    CO (t27409)

    Hero's M: 11.79

    Preflop: Hero is UTG with 10, 10
    Hero bets t1776, 3 folds, SB calls t1376, 1 fold

    Flop: (t4952) 9, 8, 3 (2 players)
    SB checks, Hero bets t3600, SB calls t3600

    Turn: (t12152) 3 (2 players)
    SB checks, Hero bets t15750 (All-In), SB calls t15750

    River: (t43652) 7 (2 players, 1 all-in)

    Total pot: t43652


    H5: This is vs Scott Fishman as he pops into the 90s from time to time. I was really torn here and I think I screwed myself by not raising him PF. On the flop I basically have to shove or fold. So he either has 77, 88, 99 or JJ, QQ, KK, AA...Idk maybe I'm a donk but I had a really hard time putting him on c-bet with like AK, AQ into this many players and OOP. I don't think this is a cooler if I am beat and there is right answer to this. Did I make the right choice?

    Full Tilt No-Limit Hold'em, 13 Tournament, 15/30 Blinds (9 handed) - Full-Tilt Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com

    MP1 (t2985)
    MP2 (t2655)
    Hero (MP3) (t2910)
    CO (t4200)
    Button (t2310)
    SB (t2970)
    BB (t3000)
    UTG (t3000)
    UTG+1 (t2970)

    Hero's M: 64.67

    Preflop: Hero is MP3 with 10, 10
    2 folds, MP1 bets t105, 1 fold, Hero calls t105, CO calls t105, 1 fold, SB calls t90, BB calls t75

    Flop: (t525) 4, 3, 7 (5 players)
    SB checks, BB checks, MP1 bets t525, Hero raises to t2805 (All-In), 3 folds, MP1 calls t2280

    Turn: (t6135) 5 (2 players, 1 all-in)

    River: (t6135) 5 (2 players, 1 all-in)

    Total pot: t6135
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    So I don't really play tourneys, and haven't played much poker in the last 4 months or so, but I'm bored and wouldn't mind putting him my thoughts, if it's only so someone that actually plays tourneys can correct it.

    Hand 1 [JJ] - I think it's way too loose (and bad) to bet flop and shove turn here. Given the flop is multiway your cbetting range should be stronger on average. I think it's fine to cbet JJ here, but check it back some % of the time as well. As far as the turn, you say you have him on either Qx or FD, and therefore you shove. If he does in fact have Qx or a flushdraw, you aren't doing quite as well equity wise as you might think. Against Qx, you have ~5% equity. Against a flushdraw, villain has something like 25% equity (if he has the NFD). Also, there are certainly more combos of Qx (QT, KQ, QJ) than there are of flush draws. Given this, I don't think I would go for 2 streets of value, and check back turn.

    Hand 2 [AQ] - seems fine.

    Hand 3 [AK] - I'd prob just go ahead and shove over his open. But 3bet/calling isn't going to make much of a difference. Either way, you certainly can't 3bet/fold. I wouldn't do it with a 100bb stack, and certainly not with a 20bb stack.

    Hand 4 [TT] - Bet more on flop, and certainly shove the turn. You will get called by enough worse.

    Hand 5 [TT] - I certainly wouldn't 3bet preflop. You are 100bb deep, and thus a 3bet is likely to isolate you against the part of his range that beats you.

    I might be weak, but I really just want to fold to the flop cbet. He is betting exactly pot into a dry board against 4 villains. He isn't likely to bluff here with his missed overs (little fold equity), and probably doesn't valuebet worse this large. By shoving you are almost certainly not getting called by worse, and he probably isn't bet/folding better this sizing, as this seems like a spot you would most likely flat nut hands {33/44/77/65s}. So (1) He probably isn't bluff, (2) He probably isn't vbetting worse, and (3) you probably don't play your nut hands this way. All lead to a fold being better than shove, and seemingly better than calling.
    Last edited by Stacks; 06-18-2010 at 10:13 PM.
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    Ty for the breakdown stacks. I was obviously playing badly and couldn't find the fold button a couple times.
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    Quote Originally Posted by XxStacksxX View Post
    So I don't really play tourneys, and haven't played much poker in the last 4 months or so, but I'm bored and wouldn't mind putting him my thoughts, if it's only so someone that actually plays tourneys can correct it.

    Hand 1 [JJ] - I think it's way too loose (and bad) to bet flop and shove turn here. Given the flop is multiway your cbetting range should be stronger on average. I think it's fine to cbet JJ here, but check it back some % of the time as well. As far as the turn, you say you have him on either Qx or FD, and therefore you shove. If he does in fact have Qx or a flushdraw, you aren't doing quite as well equity wise as you might think. Against Qx, you have ~5% equity. Against a flushdraw, villain has something like 25% equity (if he has the NFD). Also, there are certainly more combos of Qx (QT, KQ, QJ) than there are of flush draws. Given this, I don't think I would go for 2 streets of value, and check back turn.

    Hand 2 [AQ] - seems fine.

    Hand 3 [AK] - I'd prob just go ahead and shove over his open. But 3bet/calling isn't going to make much of a difference. Either way, you certainly can't 3bet/fold. I wouldn't do it with a 100bb stack, and certainly not with a 20bb stack.

    Hand 4 [TT] - Bet more on flop, and certainly shove the turn. You will get called by enough worse.

    Hand 5 [TT] - I certainly wouldn't 3bet preflop. You are 100bb deep, and thus a 3bet is likely to isolate you against the part of his range that beats you.

    I might be weak, but I really just want to fold to the flop cbet. He is betting exactly pot into a dry board against 4 villains. He isn't likely to bluff here with his missed overs (little fold equity), and probably doesn't valuebet worse this large. By shoving you are almost certainly not getting called by worse, and he probably isn't bet/folding better this sizing, as this seems like a spot you would most likely flat nut hands {33/44/77/65s}. So (1) He probably isn't bluff, (2) He probably isn't vbetting worse, and (3) you probably don't play your nut hands this way. All lead to a fold being better than shove, and seemingly better than calling.

    well said IMO, I don't have much to add here.
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    i pretty much agree with everything stacks said. maybe 3bet Hand 2 tho. people are SO bad in these that he'll probly flat with everything. you can size your 3bet big enough to jam all flops, so being oop is not an issue
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    1) is fine, good flop for lots of underpairs. 26/4 = bad, don't give goofs credit.

    2) fine

    3) all in pre, never ever fold pre srsly

    4) standard, I think this line gets paid more than ~potting flop and is easier to balance. checking the flop is very bad. no one is ever folding a pair on this board running XX/YY, let alone 36/18.

    5) TT I would call and ship good turn cards, give up if someone else wakes up. fishman is a total clown and in a small tourney like this I'm sure he thinks he can outplay you all. that said as played he folds 22 here just about never, your line is only bad in that you pay off all the other guys' sets.

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