Bubble Spot (6.50 turbo 9 man)

[scott72703]

Two hands from today's session i had some problems with. Any input is greatly appreciated .

SB: 12/11 150 hands / regular
BB: 25/18 22% btn pfr 93 hands / has been opening btn for a few orbits

Hand 1: Tempted to shove here. However, with an SB completion BB calling range will widen so i can't shove as thin as if this were a bwar spot b/ me and BB only. I folded.

Hand 2: BTN is opening > 1/3 of his hands here. I would have to lose to both BTN and SB and i have a 5bb stack. Should this be an insta jam/ how wide can i jam?


No-Limit Hold'em Tournament, 400/800 Blinds (4 handed) - Hold'em Manager Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com

Hero (Button) (t5140)
SB (t470)
BB (t5010)
UTG (t2880)

Hero's M: 4.28

Preflop: Hero is Button with 4, 5

Hero?



No-Limit Hold'em Tournament, 400/800 Blinds (4 handed) - Hold'em Manager Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com

Hero (BB) (t4200)
UTG (t3080)
Button (t4140)
SB (t2080)

Hero's M: 3.50

Preflop: Hero is BB with 5, 5
1 fold, Button bets t2400, SB calls t1680 (All-In)

Total pot: t4960

Hero?

[taipan168]

Hand 1 - this is read dependent - if BB knows how tight he needs to call here then shove away, but if not then fold it and hope that BB takes out SB. You'd be amazed how many players rate hands like KJ in BB's position.

Hand 2 - seems like an easy fold spot to me. Button is never ever folding to a shove over and with SB AI, why not just let them duke it out?

[scott72703]

I think i might be overvaluing my equity against the short stack if this does end up a 3 way pot. I'm mistaking this for a bubble situation where a slightly >shortstack decides to call a multiway AI vs chiplead + short stack all in.
SB is a regular and i'm assuming his calling range opens up to BB's wide range. However, 55 is a horrible hand to be in a 3 way all in since it's <20% vs one overpair and 30% at best against two sets of overcards.
After checking stove i realize that I don't have much equity by shoving in this spot with broadway hands like KQ either.
Sorry if i'm not mentioning icm calcs here, but with stacks so short i don't think icm accurately models this scenario.
But as taipan mentioned i should be folding here since it's virtually a freeroll ITM. Either SB is ko'd or SB and BTN trade stacks sizes and BTN is forced to post BB in two hands.

[Fielmann]

Hand 1 - this is read dependent - if BB knows how tight he needs to call here then shove away, but if not then fold it and hope that BB takes out SB. You'd be amazed how many players rate hands like KJ in BB's position.

BB doesn't need to be very tight at all as he's only screwed in that very particular scenario where SB ends up with the best hand and BTN has the second-best hand. Wizard says that with BTN shoving 88% (incorporates 54o) BB can call with top 18%.