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$22: KJo in MP, how many mistakes did I make?

View Poll Results: How many mistakes did Hero make?

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  • None! Well played!

    0 0%
  • Just one: pre-flop

    0 0%
  • Just one: c-bet

    0 0%
  • Just one: the call

    0 0%
  • Two: pre-flop and c-bet

    0 0%
  • Two: pre-flop and call

    0 0%
  • Two: c-bet and call

    1 16.67%
  • Every single action sucked

    5 83.33%
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  1. #1

    Default $22: KJo in MP, how many mistakes did Hero make?

    I'm thinking two, but I could be wrong. No information on villain.

    Full Tilt No-Limit Hold'em, 22 Tournament, 60/120 Blinds (7 handed) - Full-Tilt Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com

    saw flop

    SB (t1230)
    BB (t1910)
    UTG (t1110)
    MP1 (t1810)
    Hero (MP2) (t2820)
    CO (t1710)
    Button (t2910)

    Hero's M: 15.67

    Preflop: Hero is MP2 with K, J
    2 folds, Hero bets t300, CO calls t300, 3 folds

    Flop: (t780) K, 10, A (2 players)
    Hero bets t600, CO raises to t1410 (All-In), Hero calls t810
    Last edited by Fielmann; 07-22-2010 at 06:21 AM.
  2. #2
    Sorry to be harsh, but I voted for the last option. Firstly, I would dump KJo from the HJ, even with your stack size. Secondly, I would definitely not c-bet that flop nor would I call the AI even with the pot odds that you're getting:

    equity win tie
    Hand 0: 20.498% 17.64% 02.86% { KcJd }
    Hand 1: 79.502% 76.64% 02.86% { KK+, TT, ATs+, KTs, QJs, ATo+, KTo, QJo }
    Last edited by taipan168; 07-22-2010 at 07:11 AM.
  3. #3
    No information on villain.
    Mistake one is playing a $20 SNG with no HUD and apparently enough tables that you have no reads. At a minimum you should at least be aware of your image.

    I kinda like the rest but I'm a tourney donk. I think I would bet more on the flop if you're calling, it looks like you left room. c/r is also a good option, or b/f small, but that's where reads help.

    Tai range seems odd to me since I don't think a good player would ever cold call here so you should add in a bunch of clowny hands (you can leave in lots of weak Ax and KQ so it isn't too optimistic) and take out most of the good ones. No diamond draws except QJ and hands that beat us? He has AK/AQ/TT here?
    Last edited by drmcboy; 07-22-2010 at 10:34 AM.
  4. #4
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    Quote Originally Posted by taipan168 View Post
    Sorry to be harsh, but I voted for the last option. Firstly, I would dump KJo from the HJ, even with your stack size. Secondly, I would definitely not c-bet that flop nor would I call the AI even with the pot odds that you're getting:
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  5. #5
    Preflop: I dont really hate it, raising or folding KJ from HJ has a lot to do with the dynamics at the table, but I dont think it is a neccessarily a mistake.

    Flop: I dont really hate the bet by itself, it can win you the pot right here and if you are called you still have some ways to improve, and you still may have the best hand if you go to a chip showdown if he has a hand like QT or JT, however your bet size was really bad, I would bet 1/2 pot and fold to a shove since an A is definitely in his range


  6. #6
    For opening KJ in the HJ to be correct you need to have very tight players to your left and in the blinds and be able to put put ppl on ranges pre and post flop. Since you had none of this information you should fold pre.

    As played on the flop I don't mind a bet, but with your stack just b/f 1/2 pot and likely c/f most turns unimproved. As played your getting ~4.5:1 with a pair and a gutter so you need to call.

    Quote Originally Posted by taipan168 View Post
    Secondly, I would definitely not c-bet that flop nor would I call the AI even with the pot odds that you're getting:

    equity win tie
    Hand 0: 20.498% 17.64% 02.86% { KcJd }
    Hand 1: 79.502% 76.64% 02.86% { KK+, TT, ATs+, KTs, QJs, ATo+, KTo, QJo }
    Tai the range you gave is likely too tight as villain will be 3B'ing KK+, AKo, AKs at least some non zero % of the time so your range has to be weighted to reflect this. Also some random villains will show up here with Ax's, flush draws, Q-10, J-10 enough to ensure we have the odds to call it off as played after the flop bet though it is close.


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  7. #7
    OK, I finally got around to doing the ICM on the final call:
    - If we fold we will have 1920 chips worth 14.5% of the prize pool
    - If we call and win we will have 4710 chips worth 29.3% of the prize pool
    - If we call and lose we will have 1110 chips worth 9% of the prize pool

    Therefore we need to be (14.5-9)/(29.3-9) = 27% to win against opp's range to make this a good call.

    If people think my original range was too tight (which I'm actually not convinced that it is considering that I would expect a $22 opp to know that he doesn't have much fold equity, so he had better have the goods) then propose an alternative one that gets us over 27% equity.

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