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  1. #1

    Default AQ TPTK 1st blind level - 6.50 SNG

    I probably should have led the flop here, but as played, would a flat-call have been better? Is this a situation where I want to get all of the money in, or did I just do this completely wrong?

    PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em, 6.5 Tournament, 10/20 Blinds (9 handed) - Poker-Stars Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com

    Hero (UTG) (t1150)
    UTG+1 (t1490)
    MP1 (t2000)
    MP2 (t1500)
    MP3 (t1450)
    CO (t1520)
    Button (t1430)
    SB (t1460)
    BB (t1500)

    Hero's M: 38.33

    Preflop: Hero is UTG with Q, A
    Hero bets t80, 3 folds, MP3 raises to t180, 4 folds, Hero calls t100

    Flop: (t390) 5, Q, 6 (2 players)
    Hero checks, MP3 bets t220, Hero raises to t600, MP3 raises to t1270 (All-In), Hero calls t370 (All-In)

    Turn: (t2330) 9 (2 players, 2 all-in)

    River: (t2330) K (2 players, 2 all-in)

    Total pot: t2330

    Results below:
    Hero had Q, A (one pair, Queens).
    MP3 had A, A (one pair, Aces).
    Outcome: MP3 won t2330
  2. #2
    Open-fold pre. AQo is a bit weak for opening from 1st position at a full table.
    As played, definitely fold to 3b. You'll be out of position against a range you're behind of.
    Flop is the perfect example of why you should have folded pre. You're not happy at all stacking off here, even though this is just about the best possible flop for you. (Except the flops where you make 2-pair or better. But if you're raise/calling pre, hoping to hit 2-pair or better, then you may equally well have raise/called with 42o, which has the same chance of flopping 2-pair or better.)
  3. #3
    You'd much rather have 42 if the goal is to make two pair.
  4. #4
    Usually when there is a reraise to your UTG raise in an amount which begs calling it is AA/KK, I would fold to the reraise


  5. #5
    Quote Originally Posted by TLR View Post
    Usually when there is a reraise to your UTG raise in an amount which begs calling it is AA/KK, I would fold to the reraise
    In that case, with what hands would you be calling the reraise? QQ+ and AKs?

    Quote Originally Posted by Fielmann View Post
    Open-fold pre. AQo is a bit weak for opening from 1st position at a full table.
    As played, definitely fold to 3b. You'll be out of position against a range you're behind of.
    Similar question; with AKs, would you open-raise pre? then if the flop came K high, would it still be a fold to 3b?
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    i would still probably open AQ UTG,theirs still lots of value at the $6 were players will call with much weaker hands, incl. tons of hands you dominate. but definitely fold to 3 bet.
  7. #7
    Quote Originally Posted by BrassLacquer View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by Fielmann
    Open-fold pre. AQo is a bit weak for opening from 1st position at a full table.
    As played, definitely fold to 3b. You'll be out of position against a range you're behind of.
    Similar question; with AKs, would you open-raise pre? then if the flop came K high, would it still be a fold to 3b?
    In case you misunderstood: I didn't mean you had to fold to his flop 3-bet (having come that far you obviously shouldn't because of the pot odds), I meant that you had to fold to his pre-flop 3-bet.
    With AKs I would open pre and probably not fold to such a small 3-bet. Overall it would be a much more difficult situation and if the flop came K-high it would be more difficult yet. Assuming no reads on the villain I'm not sure I would handle it. Part of me wants to 4-bet shove AKs oop.
  8. #8
    Quote Originally Posted by BrassLacquer View Post
    In that case, with what hands would you be calling the reraise? QQ+ and AKs?



    Similar question; with AKs, would you open-raise pre? then if the flop came K high, would it still be a fold to 3b?
    I would call with AK and QQ, possibly JJ as well and will raise with KK/AA

    I am much more willing to go broke with AK then with AQ wioth TPTK early


  9. #9
    I think opening AQo from UTG is OK but that's the worst Ax hand that I would consider raising from this position. Otherwise, I agree with the others, definitely fold preflop once you get re-raised as there is very little in opp's range that you're ahead of.

    As played, I agree with Fielmann that this is a classic reverse implied odds situation where you could very well have the second best hand but it might cost you your whole stack to find out. Because of this (and it would be far better not to be in this situation in the first place) I would probably lead the flop and fold if I got raised.

    Quote Originally Posted by BrassLacquer View Post
    In that case, with what hands would you be calling the reraise? QQ+ and AKs?
    At a $6.50 I would probably shove over with QQ+ and AKs

    Quote Originally Posted by BrassLacquer View Post
    Similar question; with AKs, would you open-raise pre? then if the flop came K high, would it still be a fold to 3b?
    With AKs if I had flatted the 3-bet and if the flop came K high I would get my stack in. The difference with AQ is that AK beats you (obv!) and AK has to be a big part of opp's preflop 3-bet range in this spot.
    Last edited by taipan168; 08-19-2010 at 06:18 PM.
  10. #10
    are you saying you are folding AKo or flatting? either way why?
  11. #11
    Quote Originally Posted by drmcboy View Post
    are you saying you are folding AKo or flatting? either way why?
    To be honest at a $6.50 I would just shove over with it as well as I expect to be ahead of a 3-better's range at that level. At higher buyins I would shove over or fold depending on my read on the 3-better.
  12. #12
    yay postflop, boo fold preflop.

    also i wouldnt cr this flop. i think cr'ing is pretty bad.

    AND lol I imagine this works with sngs even more so than cash games, calling preflop 3bets OOP is very bad.
    Jman: every time the action is to you, it's an opportunity for you to make the perfect play.

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