200nl 3bet 97s, need a plan

[JL]

Villain at the time seemed like a reg, but I don't have many hands on him.
He's folded to 3bets once out of 3 times...
No other reads.

I don't really have a good plan for this hand.
I wasn't sure how I wanted to size my bets on the flop/turn.

Thoughts?

$1/$2 No Limit Holdem
5 Players
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Stacks:
UTG ($492.85)
CO ($209.15)
BTN ($180.95)
SB ($289.90)
Hero ($200)

Pre-Flop: ($3, 5 players) Hero is BB
1 fold, CO raises to $7, 2 folds, Hero raises to $24, CO calls $17

Flop: ($49, 2 players)
Hero bets $28, CO calls $28

Turn: ($105, 2 players)
Hero ($148)

Maybe bet bigger on the flop and shove the turn?
Smaller on the flop and go for three barrels no matter what cards fall?

[Vi-Zer0Skill]

i wouldn't cbet big on this board texture, because we can expect AQ/Ax to jam over us a good percentage of the time if we did so

turn is a tricky spot with this SPR. my instinct is to bet/call $75, hoping Ax will fold seeing as he won't expect to have FE. overbet jamming looks really suspicious and possibly would widen his calling range... I'm sure he doesn't fold less often to an overbet than to a $75 bet.

[griffey24]

This is a tough board for this particular hand. Mostly because if villain has a pair, he probably thinks we have AQ/AK so he won't fold.

I don't think we can jam over a flop raise here, since he'll probably raise-call pairs expecting us to jam AQ/AK. We don't have much fold equity.

I like your size, since it promotes a call over a raise. I think we have to check this turn though.

[pocketfours]

I would check the flop.

[griffey24]

I would check the flop.

Doesn't a c/c on this flop look like AQ/AK?

I like flop c/c when it seems like we have showdown value and won't get barreled on, and can potentially even bluff river if turn checks through. I worry about getting barreled here since it looks like we have A high.

[vaks]

would anyone not 3b this preflop OOP when villain only has a 33% fold to 3b.

Wouldn't that make a call here preflop a better route to take?

[ilikeaces86]

Well that 33% figure is based on only 3 hands. Most people are going to be around 50%. Also I hate these spots since no one folds here because they assume you check a large portion of your range on this turn including overpairs and so they are like he bet I shove he is trying to bluff me!!!! C/F is prbly best but obv you can call a small bet or even shove over it if you have some super sick bet sizing/timing tell. I have a tendency to try to win every pot so I often b/c in these spots but I am not sure that is best.

[Micro2Macro]

would anyone not 3b this preflop OOP when villain only has a 33% fold to 3b.

Wouldn't that make a call here preflop a better route to take?

nope

fuck him for opening a wide range we're taking the initiative with this one.

[JL]

turn is a tricky spot with this SPR. my instinct is to bet/call $75, hoping Ax will fold seeing as he won't expect to have FE. overbet jamming looks really suspicious and possibly would widen his calling range... I'm sure he doesn't fold less often to an overbet than to a $75 bet.

This is the line I took

Turn: ($105, 2 players)
Hero bets $74, CO calls

River was a blank I believe. I think it paired the board...something like a 3 or a 4.

His turn call really surprised me, but with only $74 left on the river there was nothing left to do but c/f.

My reasoning for my turn bet was basically just to bet big enough to commit myself to the pot—I have 12 outs most of the time and do not want to fold.

Both the flop and the turn just felt stupid to me. When I got to the river with $74 left, I felt embarrassed.

[Renton]

i would check flop planning to c/r or c/c depending on things

[IowaSkinsFan]

c/c the flop seems like a good move.

[IowaSkinsFan]

As played i'd just check turn, if you shove or bet he's going to put you on a fd too easily and prob just call with anything.

[Numbr2intheWorld]

someone explain to me why we shouldn't just go bet bet

[griffey24]

someone explain to me why we shouldn't just go bet bet

He'll convince himself that we'd check most overpairs here, but bet most draws (Ax, FD's) and as a result call all his pairs?

[ilikeaces86]

He'll convince himself that we'd check most overpairs here, but bet most draws (Ax, FD's) and as a result call all his pairs?

That is my exact thinking. People never believe us when we bet here so easy adjustment is just betting more overpairs here.

[PokerWang]

I would fold preflop and wait until I get a better read on the guys at the table. I don't take risks until I at least have a small idea of how the other guys play.

[Micro2Macro]

I would fold preflop and wait until I get a better read on the guys at the table. I don't take risks until I at least have a small idea of how the other guys play.

that's a pretty weak strategy

[nutsinho]

i would c/r the flop and as played c/r the turn...

[Genitruc]

38 on flop (fold to raise) shove turn seems fun to me

[Genitruc]

huh? ppl never believe us when we bet big in a 3 bet pot with the initiative on a drawy board where a hand like JJ or TT is very vulnerable against like AQo?

wtf is going on

[Genitruc]

also if you wanna CR turn i d bet flop a little smaller so that you can give him a worse price on your shove

[Ravageur]

umm....count me in the bet/bet camp. He's checking back way too much and we have a pretty good hand right now. I mean we want him to call with all his medium pairs/ace highs caus we're going to own him whether we have the best hand or not on the turn so often.

[Acemonk]

once you are in a big continuation bet like that you need to keep betting on a low flop like that but seems like a big risk over not so good chances to play so agressive with a loose hand like that and on an early position. You said it yourself... you dont have a great read of the guy as far as you know he could just push or call allin with any overpair

[griffey24]

umm....count me in the bet/bet camp. He's checking back way too much and we have a pretty good hand right now. I mean we want him to call with all his medium pairs/ace highs caus we're going to own him whether we have the best hand or not on the turn so often.

I agree in general with bet/bet, but this turn card on this particular board is just far too suspicious. People will assume that a lot of your overpairs will slow down, so our hand looks more like a draw than a made hand. Especially if they are the type to really narrow ranges too far, and think "wow this is 5x or nothing"

[Genitruc]

lol at us worrying about 5x

[Galapogos]

Ok I didn't notice the 5x. I'm just starting to get back in the game so I'm probably rusty but I totally agree with Genitruc on this one. I don't see big overpairs slowing down because this guy might have 5x in his range.

[griffey24]

Ok but the point isn't whether hero does or does not slowdown on this turn card with overpairs, the point is what CO perceives her would do. I'd imagine a good portion of ppl would expect hero to slow down, so convince themselves more of a hero call.

[sauce123]

i would c/r the flop and as played c/r the turn...

me2.

you are going to induce the most mistakes this way i think, obviously if he pots flop, i just fold, but you know ...