Set no good on the river. Bet sizing?

[stardustakos]

I don't know if I played that bad from the aspect of my bet sizing. The donks to my left go wild on the river and I have to fold. Sould I raise preflop? I checked the flop cause there is only one draw and another 4 people to act, so I suppose someone will bet. I think that was a mistake to begin with. By betting I might have discouraged the two players with the spades on my left. I half pot on the turn so I will get some value from draws and dont scare all the action. I think I should bet 2/3. River bet is for value from Ax, two pair, even smaller set type of hands with the intention to fold to a reraise.


Party Poker No-Limit Hold'em, 2 Tournament, 20/40 Blinds (10 handed) - Party-Poker Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com

CO (t3660)
MP3 (t1920)
UTG+1 (t3000)
MP2 (t3000)
UTG (t3000)
MP1 (t2880)
Button (t2840)
UTG+2 (t3000)
SB (t3700)
Hero (BB) (t3000)

Hero's M: 50.00

Preflop: Hero is BB with J, J
UTG calls t40, UTG+1 calls t40, 1 fold, MP1 bets t80, 3 folds, Button calls t80, 1 fold, Hero calls t40, UTG calls t40, UTG+1 calls t40

Flop: (t420) 10, 2, J (5 players)
Hero checks, UTG checks, UTG+1 checks, MP1 checks, Button checks

Turn: (t420) A (5 players)
Hero bets t210, UTG calls t210, UTG+1 calls t210, 2 folds

River: (t1050) 3 (3 players)
Hero bets t525, UTG raises to t2710 (All-In), UTG+1 calls t2710 (All-In), Hero folds

Total pot: t6995

[stardustakos]

Is my analysis of my mistakes good, or this hand doen't worth a comment from the masters? :P

[drmcboy]

I would go for turn c/r but I don't think you played it bad. I would not fold to one player on river but folding here looks good.

[stardustakos]

Thanks Doc

[ManicLombax]

I might bet the flop for value. I see the merit in checking here, since someone will almost always bet, but on the other hand if you just go ahead and donk-bet it you'll almost always get some callers and you can build the pot, hopefully to get it all in on the next two streets. I think with a family pot you can also bet more on the turn and still get at least one caller. Plus you want to price out back door flush/straight draws now.

I agree with the shove and call on the river you're almost certainly no good.

Oh, and I can't decide about raising preflop. You really don't want to play JJ against 5 people, but on the other hand you don't necessarily want to stick in a 3-bet big enough to chase people out and then have to fold when overcards come on the flop. I think most days I'd probably 3-bet it to 300 or so to try to narrow the field.

[stardustakos]

Yes you are right, 3-betting wouldn't be a bad idea, only at these stakes it does not accomplish an isolation much. I like the c/r better on the turn, wich also accomplishes the pricing out.

[Micro2Macro]

turn sizing could use a significant increase in chips