Tough Spot with the Nuts

[Genitruc]

Villain is on at least 3 tables, has big stacks on 2 of them. Haven't seen him do anything of note so far.

***** Hand History for Game 1520894698 ***** (PKR)
$100.00 USD NL Texas Hold'em - Thursday, November 18, 05:14:17 ET 2010
Table (Real Money)
Seat 6 is the button
Seat 1: Servietsky3 ( $173.37 USD )
Seat 2: andyvik85 ( $110.61 USD )
Seat 3: ChipNielsen ( $100.00 USD )
Seat 4: KaiTsim ( $0.00 USD )
Seat 5: Genitruc ( $114.80 USD )
Seat 6: FullDomination ( $109.20 USD )
Servietsky3 posts small blind [$0.50 USD].
andyvik85 posts big blind [$1.00 USD].
Dealt to Genitruc
ChipNielsen raises [$4.00 USD]
Genitruc calls [$4.00 USD]
FullDomination folds
Servietsky3 folds
andyvik85 calls [$3.00 USD]

** Dealing Flop **

andyvik85 checks
ChipNielsen bets [$9.37 USD]
Genitruc raises [$28.00 USD]
andyvik85 calls [$28.00 USD]
ChipNielsen folds

** Dealing Turn **

andyvik85 bets [$78.61 USD]
Genitruc

[bspahn]

the over call on the flop seems kinda scary to me...
turn seems like a fold since the hands you're crushing (weaker kings) prob dont like this turn card..

looks like he bet pot so u gotta be good ~ 33% i think? main thing seems to be how often u are ahead in this spot like ud need some sort of read to know if he can be spewy or semibluff in a spot like this to make the call...

[griffey24]

Looks like Kxss or a set,two pair protecting and not wanting to see another spade,to me.

stove it up!

[Numbr2intheWorld]

Seems like an easy fold

[Genitruc]

k thx guys, i felt it was a close fold (but pretty clear after putting him on a range) and vomited when he flipped

[IowaSkinsFan]

His call pre is atrocious, but even if you think he is shoving Ts9x or 9s6x or vice versa it's still a fold.

[Genitruc]

isf you noticed we have NFD on turn to go with our TPTK?

[IowaSkinsFan]

Yeah I know, although I suppose i wasnt thinking of how it affected combos of flushes. Nonetheless, there are enough flush combos to make it a fold.

[Genitruc]

k thx sounds good

[sauce123]

this is probably a close fold. my first instinct was to fold for sure, since i think people rarely jam KoXs here. that leaves hands like 6s5c and just a ton of flushes. honestly, id expect to get shown a range of flushes/spazzes/str8s mostly. i donno i just always find im crushed here

[oskar]

Nobody said anything about the flop raise. I don't really get it tbh.

[Genitruc]

flop raise is for both protection and value, i don t expect a hand-reading reg to fold KQ or KJs to the flop raise, i wanna protect vs a hand like JT or 9T or random spades and some stationy villain will even call 99-QQ facing the flop raise.

obv it puts me in a tough spot when 3-bet but i expect to make lots of money all of the times i m not 3 bet and i have my As to help me out on tricky turns in pos.

[meeloche]

Also pretty hard for him to put you on AK given preflop.

[PokerWang]

You don't have the nuts...

[oskar]

^^

I lolled


@OP:
Why wouldn't you think a hand reading reg would fold KJ, KQ. It's 3-way so he can't expect you to airball here or even raise 56o,89o. He could call and lead a blank turn but is he that tricky?* I would kind of get it if he's stationary and can't hand read very well. His percieved equity swings around big time if he does expect you to raise 56,9T... yah I guess he does. They don't fold much at dem hundreds, do they.
I stoved your range without AK... cos obviously that's not what he expects to see a lot.

My main thought here was: don't we want the potential fish in the blind come along with something very hopeful?

*edit: oh lol... should have looked back at the hand. That's so funky.

[Genitruc]

ya oskar, what a fking weird hand eh? i don t think i ever expected the SB to flat-flop/shove spade turn.

[grindinginnj]

I would be thinking set here most of the time.