DOYLE LEAVING CAKE?

[C00T]

nevermind.

[jyms]

who cares?

[givememyleg]

who cares?

not you, mr stick in my ass.

this isn't the first time doylesroom has switched networks. haven't they switched like 3-4 times in the past? my guess is merge, seems to be gaining popularity and supports us players. doyle made it clear he would never move somewhere that didn't accept us players.

[jyms]

That was my point, it's not like they will be loyal to whichever site they move to. It's really not worth talking about. Small time players are not of much concern sans the fact that we can trust deposits or not.

[drmcboy]

who cares?

This post might or might not have been interesting to someone else, but there was absolutely no reason for you to make this post this and lots of good reasons not to. Let me know if you'd like a list.

Would you prefer everyone who wants to post in your forum PM you first to make sure their topics are worthy of the space here in Tools of Poker?

[lolzzz_321]

Merge or Cereus

+1 to drmcboy

[Val Kilmer]

+2 to Drmcboy.

All the time I've lurked (and occasionally posted) Jyms has been a major tool. Whether that's because the game has been passing him by, personal issues or just the fact that he's a complete dick, only he can say. Maybe he'll claim free speech, that it's an open forum, or simply that it's the internet and if you get bent out of shape then you shouldn't be on the internet in the first place. But all this is just a cover for his increasingly annoying, antagonistic and arsehole antics.

If the dude doesn't like a post, then it's easier NOT to reply. And the minutes he spends trawling through threads he couldn't give a shit about is time that would be better spent on more productive measures, like catching up on the game, sorting out his personal issues, or just simply working on not being a complete dick.

FTR is a wealth of poker info and guys who want to help. Its biggest problem though, and the reason I've not joined in more, is that it's pretty much a closed shop. There's a list of long time regs who ride roughshod over others, especially newbs and if the newb doesn't like it then tough. And god forbid any outsider who dares to give back just 1% of the shit they dish out. Jyms is in the clique and, IMO, gets a free ride for his increasingly mendacious and malodorous modus operandi.

[Keith]

perhaps when you have put as much into the community as drmc,lollz and jyms then your opinions may count for something. You bemoan the fact that noobs get a hard time, yet you are quite happy to stick the boot in when you think you can get away with it.

Before you come back and accuse me of being Jyms friend , I don't know him personally , i'm not on his massengers and have no contact with him. I did learn an awful lot from his grinderschool videos though.I'm not part of the clique as you call it and my post count is a result of getting a hard time as a noob, learning from the critcism and continuing to post, continuing to get criticised and learning from it. Do you really want to be told that you played a hand ok when you made a dogs dinner of it?

Having spent time as an admin at another site , I can appreciate the unseen work that the mods and admins here put in to get rid of spam and keep the forums on topic.

FTR is NOT a closed shop. You and everyone else gets out of it what they put in. carroters and M2M didn't just sit back and try and leech off others , they got involved learnt and now giving it back to others.

[Val Kilmer]

If you're gonna reply, make it relevant.


perhaps when you have put as much into the community as drmc,lollz and jyms then your opinions may count for something.
Everyone's opinion is equal. And as we are not talking strategy here I do not need to prove a reputataion for quality.

Secondly, nunber of posts has nothing to do with a) Jyms being a cock or b) the right to comment on Jyms being a cock/the state of the forum.

Thirdly, your comment implies that the greater the number of posts you have, the more right you have to step out of line (as Jyms repeatedly does) and that is plain wrong. It also implies that one cannot call out their poor behaviour until they have an equal. And again, that is untrue.

Fourthly, that you immediately turn on me rather than accept the blinding obvious - Jyms being a cock - speaks volumes about you. I wasn't the only person to criticise Jyms in this thread, yet I am the only you pick on. If Drmcboy had made the same comment would you be jumping on him? of course not. You don't length of servicer to call loutish behaviour.

And whatever you think and try and say in return, this is irrefutable.


I did learn an awful lot from his grinderschool videos though.
Irrelevant. What you got out of him in the past has no bearing on his unwarranted behaviour here and in other threads.


Do you really want to be told that you played a hand ok when you made a dogs dinner of it?
Irrelevant.


Having spent time as an admin at another site , I can appreciate the unseen work that the mods and admins here put in to get rid of spam and keep the forums on topic.
Irrelevant and has nothing to do with Jyms or this thread. And if it wasn't already patently obvious, the OP posted in the correct forum, was not posting spam, Jyms was out of order and it was so for the umpteenth time.


FTR is NOT a closed shop.
Reread my post. Yes there are people willing to help (I stated as such) but there are also those who seek to ostricise and bully, who mercilessly jump on a post by an outsider of the clique but freely join in the same post when posted by one of the approved. And as I've been visiting this site since 2004 - which I reckon is well before you pitched up - I have seen it over and over again. And I've seen newbs who are known to members of the clique being given a free ride and instant access to the cool club 9Michelle, Spoon's girlfriend being a notable case in point).

Talking of your history, were you here about 5 years ago when Jyms was getting pissy with Xianti and having a running battle with him? With practically every thread boiling over? I bet you don't, do ya?

Now before you try and retaliate, think long and hard about the entire point of my OP and Jyms behaviour. Think long and hard about the criticism he recieved from others in this thread. Stop trying to isolate me and my low number of posts and look at the actual issue at hand - Jyms being pissy, for no reason and unfairly so. You cannot defend the indefensibe - whether he helped you out in a past life, has more posts than me, or because you suffered through the newbie abuse so you think it's fair for others to receive such hostile behaivour.

It doesn't wash, nor your decision to jump on me.



And for what it's worth, I've said my bit (about Jyms) and proved myself to your unfounded, illogical and unfair attack so I have nothing more to say so if you want the last word, feel free. I for one won't be reading.

[jyms]

I have nothing to say except that Xianti is the one who appointed me as a mod even during one of our "running battles", and drmcboy and I have had conversations about me in the past and he's always let me know when I was out of line as he did here, and I took those comments as advice and have not said anything else. I respect him more than most on this forum and his advice.

[Keith]

If you're gonna reply, make it relevant.


perhaps when you have put as much into the community as drmc,lollz and jyms then your opinions may count for something.
Everyone's opinion is equal. And as we are not talking strategy here I do not need to prove a reputataion for quality.

Secondly, nunber of posts has nothing to do with a) Jyms being a cock or b) the right to comment on Jyms being a cock/the state of the forum.

Thirdly, your comment implies that the greater the number of posts you have, the more right you have to step out of line (as Jyms repeatedly does) and that is plain wrong. It also implies that one cannot call out their poor behaviour until they have an equal. And again, that is untrue.

Fourthly, that you immediately turn on me rather than accept the blinding obvious - Jyms being a cock - speaks volumes about you. I wasn't the only person to criticise Jyms in this thread, yet I am the only you pick on. If Drmcboy had made the same comment would you be jumping on him? of course not. You don't length of servicer to call loutish behaviour.

And whatever you think and try and say in return, this is irrefutable.

Everyones opinion here is NOT equal. The admins and other mods opinions carry more weight than anyone elses because they can enforce them .People with an axe to grind over previous issues should make them clear before launching into personal attacks on someone.

I never said number of posts, I said "when you have put as much into the community " which is a completely different thing. This will involve posts by discussing theory , correcting lower stakes players thinking on ways to play hands , but also involves non posting activities such as sweats , coaching,discussion groups, study groups, and time inolved modding the forums to help keep them free of spam , prevent arguments from getting out of hand etc.

Your third point is rubbish . Having more posts gives NOBODY the right to step out of line. If anyone does then the MOds and Admins should step in and make that clear. Look what happened in this case , Jyms got out of line and the admins and a Mod stepped in to say he was out of line. That should have been an end to it , but you took that as the green light to launch an unwarranted personal attack on Jyms in revenge for a previous thread.

Same argument applies to your fourth point. I didn't say that jyms didn't get out of line , I said that your personal attacks on him were out of line.The others criticising him were his bosses putting him back in line.

I did learn an awful lot from his grinderschool videos though.
Irrelevant. What you got out of him in the past has no bearing on his unwarranted behaviour here and in other threads.

Its not irrelevant as it was addressing a point in your attack on him saying that the game had passed him by.

Do you really want to be told that you played a hand ok when you made a dogs dinner of it?
Irrelevant.

addrressing the point you were making about noobs getting a hard time. Do you want to be told where you played badly and learn from the criticism or be told you did ok and keep donating to your opponents.

Having spent time as an admin at another site , I can appreciate the unseen work that the mods and admins here put in to get rid of spam and keep the forums on topic.
Irrelevant and has nothing to do with Jyms or this thread. And if it wasn't already patently obvious, the OP posted in the correct forum, was not posting spam, Jyms was out of order and it was so for the umpteenth time.

shall i point to another part of your attack on him ." And the minutes he spends trawling through threads he couldn't give a shit about is time that would be better spent on more productive measures". Thats what Mods have to do to keep the forums clear of rubbish and spam cluttering them up for the rest of us.

FTR is NOT a closed shop.
Reread my post. Yes there are people willing to help (I stated as such) but there are also those who seek to ostricise and bully, who mercilessly jump on a post by an outsider of the clique but freely join in the same post when posted by one of the approved. And as I've been visiting this site since 2004 - which I reckon is well before you pitched up - I have seen it over and over again. And I've seen newbs who are known to members of the clique being given a free ride and instant access to the cool club 9Michelle, Spoon's girlfriend being a notable case in point).

this just stinks of jealousy. Have you asked yourself why some memebrs sem to get a free ride and others seem to get a hard time. Just reading through your posts its pretty obvious why you have such an "attitude" about it. The ones that get the free ride are the ones who post and are willing to accept the advice they are given by better players and apply it to there game.
the ones getting a hard time are the ones who don't listen to advice , think that they know better than the experienced players giving them advice and then keep turning up making the same mistakes time after time.
Go back and look at your thread whereou wanted coaching at 10nl and you rejected most of the advice you were given.Where you said "And that's it - I invite anyone interested to contact me and discuss a plan of action. I will then create an operation and update regularly so everyone can see my progress.
".You also conveniently miss my next line of getting out of FTR what you put in. how much exactly have you put in? how much have you learnt over all the years you have been coming and how much have you pased back to others .

Talking of your history, were you here about 5 years ago when Jyms was getting pissy with Xianti and having a running battle with him? With practically every thread boiling over? I bet you don't, do ya?

A pointless example as its obvious from my join date that I wasn't

Now before you try and retaliate, think long and hard about the entire point of my OP and Jyms behaviour. Think long and hard about the criticism he recieved from others in this thread. Stop trying to isolate me and my low number of posts and look at the actual issue at hand - Jyms being pissy, for no reason and unfairly so. You cannot defend the indefensibe - whether he helped you out in a past life, has more posts than me, or because you suffered through the newbie abuse so you think it's fair for others to receive such hostile behaivour.

It doesn't wash, nor your decision to jump on me.

Its obvious looking through past threads that your post was motivated from spite and retaliation over jyms reaction to one of your previous posts and the treatment you received as a "noob" in the $$$ thread.The criticism he received from an Admin and a fellow Mod were to put Jyms straight. I am not defending what jyms said , I am saying that your personal attack on jyms was unwarranted and unnecessary .

[Penneywize]

yeah I really don't like this guy. Since when did this thread become a referendum on Jyms or FTR in general, anyway? Dude should stfu, any one who's not a bitch will see FTR for what it is and act accordingly. This isn't a site for those who expect to be babied and have their hands held and be given pats on the back when they find out what a range is etc. Man up or get out imo

EDIT:

Also OP, you didn't have to edit your post, lol.

[lolzzz_321]

Seriously? Take it to PMs or the Community

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[lolzzz_321]

lol Yatahay Network

[jyms]

Oh, I stand corrected, we should all give a shit then.