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    Default biggish pot or stacks pot? 2 hands, 50nl

    villain is 15-10 with high blind call vs steals (ca 20%), 10% 3b vs steals, very low fold to c-bet (25%) and reasonably untrusting of me just cos I occasionally bet draws and stuff. No big pot history. He goes to showdown more than most and has a low-ish W$WSD of 45%. This is over about 250 hands. Flop and his range is pretty much Tx (scs + broadways)/8x(Axs + scs + gappers)/77/99/flush draws/straight draws.

    turn doesn't change much and i'm still obviously going for value vs his made hands + draws. Thoughts on river sizing?

    Full Tilt No-Limit Hold'em, $0.50 BB (7 handed) - Full Tilt Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com

    MP1 ($50.75)
    MP2 ($74.65)
    Hero (CO) ($52.70)
    Button ($54.55)
    SB ($50)
    BB ($71.80)
    UTG ($75.80)

    Preflop: Hero is CO with Q, Q
    3 folds, Hero bets $1.50, 2 folds, BB calls $1

    Flop: ($3.25) 10, 2, 8 (2 players)
    BB checks, Hero bets $3, BB calls $3

    Turn: ($9.25) J (2 players)
    BB checks, Hero bets $7, BB calls $7

    River: ($23.25) 8 (2 players)
    BB checks, Hero bets $13


    Original limper is awful 38-1, caller is 58-0 over 70 hands, kinda stationy, no action between us. He likes top pair and draws, and middle pairs. I'm pretty much at the top of my range, thoughts on flop and turn sizing? Not villain's stack size when considering flop sizing.

    Full Tilt No-Limit Hold'em, $0.50 BB (8 handed) - Full Tilt Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com

    CO ($98.50)
    Button ($53.75)
    SB ($47.10)
    BB ($26.20)
    UTG ($31.50)
    UTG+1 ($57.10)
    Hero (MP1) ($54.60)
    MP2 ($29.15)

    Preflop: Hero is MP1 with Q, K
    UTG calls $0.50, 1 fold, Hero bets $2.25, MP2 calls $2.25, 4 folds, UTG calls $1.75

    Flop: ($7.50) 3, K, 5 (3 players)
    UTG checks, Hero bets $4.40, MP2 calls $4.40, 1 fold

    Turn: ($16.30) 6 (2 players)
    Hero bets $xxxxx,
  2. #2
    h1 looks fine as played
    h2 i'd bet around 8-9 and likely shove any river
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    What is villain #1's post-flop aggression like? Does he check/raise much? Unless you have some good reason to believe that he'll ever check the river with trips/boats/straights, I would bet river for max value. Something closer to pot-sized. Especially given his tendency to be paranoid and bluff-catch.

    Hand #2, you're against 2 fish and way ahead of their range. I like betting bigger on the flop, and maybe about 2/3 on the turn. What sense is there in pot control when they're likely to call very wide?
    Last edited by grnydrowave2; 02-01-2011 at 01:41 PM.
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    Quote Originally Posted by grnydrowave2 View Post

    Hand #2, you're against 2 fish and way ahead of their range. I like betting bigger on the flop, and maybe about 2/3 on the turn. What sense is there in pot control when they're likely to call very wide?
    I don't think any bet ott is for pot control at this point against MP2 and his short stack; we're going with our hand and the question is how to best extract value from the fish. I tend to notice fish call down much lighter and/or spazz out with their garbage hands facing smaller bets and when we shove the river he'll feel committed with whatever crap he called with.
    Last edited by nitcracker; 02-01-2011 at 04:29 PM.
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    QQ: looks fine/ maybe a bit bigger on the river, but not much
    KQ: Im playing for stacks here due to villains' stats. Getting it in over 3 streets is fine, i dont like betting much bigger on the flop. 9-10.50 ish on turn shove river
    Last edited by thelorax; 02-01-2011 at 04:11 PM.
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    Hand 1 I like.

    Hand 2 I go $10.
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  7. #7
    completely standard yo bet turn in #2
  8. #8
    h1 is skr8....h2 i agree with grny bet bigger, the 2 opps in the hand are whales against whom you do not need to balance your flop sizing get value now. If you bet 6.50-7 you can shove on the turn.

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