$22: TPWK oop / weak 2pr meets aggression

[Fielmann]

1st hand is a fairly standard situation, but I'm still not sure how to handle them. Perhaps I should bet flop/turn for value and protection, but leading out into 3 opponents just seems so awkward.
I guess river is sort of read-dependent. Mostly call though.

The villain in hand 2 had been playing rather passively over a small sample. I have trouble putting any one-pair hands or draws into his range, while KT, K5, QT, Q5, 55, and J9 all seem likely.

Hand 1:

PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em, 22 Tournament, 15/30 Blinds (7 handed) - Poker-Stars Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com

MP2 (t3335)
CO (t2680)
Button (t1370)
Hero (SB) (t1350)
BB (t1335)
UTG (t2710)
MP1 (t720)

Hero's M: 30.00

Preflop: Hero is SB with 7, A
2 folds, MP2 calls t30, 1 fold, Button calls t30, Hero calls t15, BB checks

Flop: (t120) 2, A, J (4 players)
Hero checks, BB checks, MP2 checks, Button checks

Turn: (t120) 3 (4 players)
Hero checks, BB checks, MP2 bets t30, Button calls t30, Hero calls t30, 1 fold

River: (t210) 10 (3 players)
Hero checks, MP2 bets t120, 1 fold, Hero ?


Hand 2:

PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em, 22 Tournament, 25/50 Blinds (6 handed) - Poker-Stars Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com

Button (t2835)
SB (t1150)
Hero (BB) (t1215)
UTG (t1665)
MP (t5970)
CO (t665)

Hero's M: 16.20

Preflop: Hero is BB with 10, 5
3 folds, Button calls t50, SB calls t25, Hero checks

Flop: (t150) K, Q, 10 (3 players)
SB checks, Hero checks, Button checks

Turn: (t150) 5 (3 players)
SB bets t50, Hero raises to t250, 1 fold, SB raises to t650 Hero ?

[taipan168]

Hand 1 (A7s) - I bet the flop for 80-100 and give up to any raise. As played I think you played it fine. I don't think I can fold top pair even with no/weak kicker given the action on the flop and turn and the fact that losing won't really hurt your stack all that much.

Hand 2 (T5o) - maybe it's a leak of mine but I tend to go broke here, I've seen too many players play hands you beat this way to fold.

[Alpine021]

Hand one I'd call purely out of curiosity and what justifies a pathetic 1/4 pot bet on the turn.

Hand 2 I'd probably go bust with it as well. Good chance of him just having a K and "slowplaying it" and also a good chance of KJ for the straight draw to give him extra outs if he's behind.

[TLR]

Hand1: I can see a check on the flop but I think you need to lead out turn for 3/4 or pot size bet

Hand2: Ugly spot, he could have a better two pair or a pair+draw, I may have gone broke here

[rong]

Hand 1: I'm raising pre, the button limped, could have anything, I'd be 3-betting here if the button raised quite often too. As played, once you flop top pair, why aren't you betting? If you aren't going to bet when you flop top pair on a somewhat dry board, why call in the first place?

Hand 1: This is just horrible, guess it depends on the villain, sometimes fold, sometimes go broke. Prob shove more often that not.

[Fielmann]

Hand 1: I'm raising pre, the button limped, could have anything

Playing a big pot out of position with a weak hand doesn't seem like a good idea to me.

I'd be 3-betting here if the button raised quite often too.

I'd be folding. It's an early stage of an SnG. Unnecessary risks should be avoided. I have plenty of time to 3-bet him later on when I probably have more fold equity and the pot is big enough to be actually worth fighting for.

As played, once you flop top pair, why aren't you betting?

Pot control and caution. I agree that betting out would have been better, though. That's why I posted it.

If you aren't going to bet when you flop top pair on a somewhat dry board, why call in the first place?

Because I have implied odds for flush. I usually fold A7o here.

[rong]

Hand 1: I'm raising pre, the button limped, could have anything

Playing a big pot out of position with a weak hand doesn't seem like a good idea to me.

Agreed, I didn't see that mp had limped too. I thought it was just the button. So pretty much ignore everything I said.

[drmcboy]

1) I lead turn and fold now

2) I fold, with no read maybe go with it but not with that one. I put AK and K9 in here and you are a 60/40 dog

ProPokerTools Hold'em Simulation
39,600 trials (Exhaustive)
board: KQT5
KJ,QJ,QT,KQ,Q5,55,JT,J9,AK,K9,K5 58.68% (23,022 wins, 432 ties)
T5 41.32% (16,146 wins, 432 ties)


take those out and barf

ProPokerTools Hold'em Simulation
30,096 trials (Exhaustive)
board: KQT5
KJ,QJ,QT,KQ,Q5,55,JT,J9,K5 68.60% (20,430 wins, 432 ties)
T5 31.40% (9,234 wins, 432 ties)

and some people look like this

ProPokerTools Hold'em Simulation
18,216 trials (Exhaustive)
board: KQT5
KQ,Q5,55,JT,J9,K5 81.92% (14,706 wins, 432 ties)
T5 18.08% (3,078 wins, 432 ties)

[drmcboy]

also it's only 400 but if you flat I think he'll play the rest better than we can when we aren't already in trouble.

[fulksy]

random bump?

[drmcboy]

i was deleting spam and figured what the heck

[fulksy]

1) I lead turn and fold now

this is if its checked through on flop

if action
c/c, or c/f flop?

and how does it affect turn action