N00b in sticky spot

[profnabeshin]

I got into a situation where its fold (bleed to death) or shove. 40 entries into this micro tournament, I started Final Table as chip leader, but these two villans basically eliminated all other players and I became the short stack.

The stats I have on these guys seem irrelevant now that we are 3 handed. But if you guys think they will help, and explain how you want them (per blind levels or overall average) I will gladly post them.
Prizes:
1st-$2.80
2nd-$1.76
3rd- $1.16


***** Hand history for game #246913296 *****
Blinds 500/1000 NL Hold'em - 2011/03/02 - 20:17:30
Table 1
Seat 3 is the button
Total number of players: 3
Seat 2: Hero ( 5935 Chips )
Seat 3: Villan A ( 13675 Chips )
Seat 6: Villan B( 20390 Chips )
Hero: posts ante [ 100 Chips]
Villan A: posts ante [ 100 Chips]
Villan B: posts ante [ 100 Chips]
Villan B: posts small blind [ 500 Chips]
Hero: posts big blind [ 1000 Chips]
** Dealing down cards **
Dealt to Hero [ , ]
Villan A raises [ 3,500 Chips]

I am looking at 1800 in pot (dead money) I have 4835 left if I fold. If I shove then I will get a call 100% of the time.

So if I shove and win then I will be looking at Hero stack- 12,470; Villan A - 7740 But shove and lose and I get 3rd place. I feel confidant that I can take 2nd place+ if I shove and get a suckout.

(I am a n00b, so I am not sure where to go from here with the information)
Question:
Is this a shove or fold?

[profnabeshin]

{44+,A2s+,K2s+,Q4s+,J7s+,T7s+,97s+,87s,A3o+,K7o+,Q 8o+,J8o+,T9o} Top 40% of hands

Hand 0: 35.278% 34.02% 01.25% 3397692132 125176386.00 { J7o }
Hand 1: 64.722% 63.47% 01.25% 6338112024 125176386.00 {top 40%}

[fulksy]

.reads are important, ^^^ is this his range for shoving?

Using ICM , not sure if my calculations are correct here.

so remaining prize pool $5.72
1st gets 49%
2nd gets 31%
3rd gets 20%

Equity if we fold = 25.64
Equity if we call and win = 33.31
Equity if we call and lose = 20.00

25.64-20/33.31-20

5.64/13.31=42.37

we need 42.37% equity to call

against most reasonable ranges its a fold

equity win tie pots won pots tied
Hand 0: 34.134% 33.47% 00.67% 210307071 4195538.50 { Jc7h }
Hand 1: 65.866% 65.20% 00.67% 409717420 4195538.50 { 22+, A2s+, K9s+, Q9s+, J9s+, T9s, A2o+, K9o+, QTo+, JTo }

he needs to be raising like 70% for this to be a shove

equity win tie pots won pots tied
Hand 0: 43.179% 41.20% 01.98% 601117060 28814973.00 { Jc7h }
Hand 1: 56.821% 54.85% 01.98% 800136002 28814973.00 { 22+, A2s+, K2s+, Q2s+, J2s+, T2s+, 93s+, 84s+, 74s+, 63s+, 53s+, 43s, A2o+, K2o+, Q3o+, J5o+, T6o+, 96o+, 86o+, 76o }


fold

i would say were roughly calling around A2s+ A3+ QTs+, K10+, 22+

[dev]

Avoid calling all ins. You mentioned these 2 villains took out the rest of the table, if they are still aggressive they may end up all in with each other which is very very good for you.

That said we're really short so fold here but shove almost anything if folded to next hand.

[profnabeshin]

Ok, thanks.

@fulksy-- Thanks for explaining how to figure out the equity needed to call. I was lost as to how to figure out the math of equity needed in reference to prize money.

[OngBonga]

I think I call this spot some 100% of the time. Both villains are deep enough that they will happily wait for your death before getting stuck in to each other. Do we really expect the BB to fold when we shove our junk next hand? J7 isn't a terrible hand, it's probably better than the next couple of hands we'll see.

Then again I make a great deal of questionable moves when my stack is <10bb, so I'm interested to see how many people agree with me that this is a call 100% of the time.

[fulksy]

taking ICM into account, you really can put him on a resonable range where this is mathamatically a call. you still have quite a bit of FE shoving from hopefully SB then BTN.

[dneureiter]

I think I call this spot some 100% of the time. Both villains are deep enough that they will happily wait for your death before getting stuck in to each other. Do we really expect the BB to fold when we shove our junk next hand? J7 isn't a terrible hand, it's probably better than the next couple of hands we'll see.

Then again I make a great deal of questionable moves when my stack is <10bb, so I'm interested to see how many people agree with me that this is a call 100% of the time.

I don't think calling 100% of the time is good but if the guy shoving is any good he is shoving any two cards here which makes this an easy call. read dependent but generally vs micro donks I'd rather fold now and shove later (5 bb have some fold equity)

[fulksy]

I don't think calling 100% of the time is good but if the guy shoving is any good he is shoving any two cards here which makes this an easy call. read dependent but generally vs micro donks I'd rather fold now and shove later (5 bb have some fold equity)

i don't think villain should be shoving ATC in this spot, if say were calling around 30% and SB is calling around 15%, i think villian should only be shoving something like 44+ A6s+ A8+ KJs+. I'm treating this almost as 9 man sng since it has almost exact same payout %. and everything is based on ICM here, if you were a ways from the money it would change IMO

also forsure whether ^ is correct or not(probably not) villian is never shoving ATC here or even >50% here IMO especially against big stack in SB.

i don't think this is ever a call