$3.40 KQs CO push bubble

[Onfire71]

Poker Stars No Limit Hold'em Tournament - t75.00/t150.00 Blinds - 4 players - View hand 1227625
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SB: t2046.00 13.64 BBs - VPIP: 14, PFR: 10, 3B: 3, AF: 2.7, Hands: 235
BB: t7630.00 50.87 BBs - VPIP: 37, PFR: 14, 3B: 4, AF: 1.1, Hands: 71
Hero (CO): t1054.00 7.03 BBs - VPIP: 15, PFR: 12, 3B: 5, AF: 3.3, Hands: 9230
BTN: t2770.00 18.47 BBs - VPIP: 13, PFR: 7, 3B: 0, AF: 0.5, Hands: 71

Pre Flop: (t225) Hero is CO with K Q
Hero raises to t1054,

According to Wiz I should be pushing only 8.4% (77+,AT+) KQs vs BTN CR (Calling Range) 7.40%, 12.70% SB 28.60% BB..

Nash says to push here 19.8%, 22+ A2s+ A8o+ K9s+ KJo+ Q9s+ J9s+ T9s if
BTN CR 7.2%, 77+ AJs+ AJo+
SB 8.9%, 66+ ATs+ ATo+
BB 14.5%, 33+ A7s+ A8o+ KJs+ KQo ..

Anyway, I just think that Wiz is too tight here and KQo might be a fold but definitely a push with KQs right?

[taipan168]

Well, if you run your Nash ranges for each of these three players in Wiz, what do you get? No point running different ranges between Nash and Wiz then saying you don't agree with the answer that Wiz gives you.

[Onfire71]

Well, if you run your Nash ranges for each of these three players in Wiz, what do you get? No point running different ranges between Nash and Wiz then saying you don't agree with the answer that Wiz gives you.

Agree with you lol.. Ironically I'm still trying to find out "optimal ranges" lol.. but a bit difficult.. Cuz I once asked in another forum why there is a range difference between ICM trainer lol (very similar with Nash in terms of pushing ranges/hand values) vs SNGEGT .. And got this reply below (coming from a well-known coach to add more reliability ) lol..

I don't have much experience with SNGEGT, but I recognize those ranges. It appears that SNGEGT, like SNG Wizard, uses the Sklansky-Chubukov hand rankings. These are ok for calling ranges, but they are bad for pushing ranges.

Sklansky's question, which Chubukov answered, was how much you could push from the small blind if you flip your hand face up first. You can push surprisingly deeply with hands like A9o, since it just isn't that likely for the big blind to have better than A9o, and you sometimes win when you run into a better hand. However, this hand ranking pretends that when you have T9s, your opponents know to call with J2o. That penalizes good pushing hands like T9s, which you can see that ICM Trainer says is a push (since you will not flip over your hand), but SNGEGT does not include in a top 26% range.

I believe that ICM Trainer more often checks each hand for profitability. If your opponents are playing close to the Nash equilibrium, then you should trust the ICM Trainer pushing ranges.

[Nakamura]

I investigated what WIZ uses for hand values some time ago and it does indeed use SC hand ranking for both shoving and calling. Hand values are considered different for shoving and calling. Pick up a copy of KE and you'll see they actually use different ranges for each. That said WIZ is a tool. It's not like the holy grail that we should believe everything it spews out.

Lol at people who say they take every edge in a game. For one, when you range an opponent, it's just an educated guess. Even when you guess right, opponents will sometimes do spazzy things and call with T8o and fold J9o the next hand. Then we have the problem that WIZ just automatically assumes every opponent is a robot and shoving with SC rankings in mind, which is almost never the case. Taking that 0.03 edge is starting to look shaky to say the least.

For me common sense dictates we should shove in this spot since we are the smallest stack on the table with a top 10% hand about the chew the blinds. I shove this even if it's slightly -EV.