AJs co 5 left

[ed cooper]

PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em, 6.5 Tournament, 100/200 Blinds 25 Ante (5 handed) - PokerStars Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com

SB (t3075)
BB (t1755)
UTG (t2585)
Hero (MP) (t3825)
Button (t2260)

Hero's M: 9.00

Preflop: Hero is MP with ,
UTG calls t200, hero?

wasnt sure what to do here, mostly cos of utg limper. button and sb quite solid tho sb was flatting raises oop at times. bb tight too but dont think im folding if he shoves. of course this depends on utg s actions too. my notes on him:

less than 6bb limp from ep with 9j...then called shove for another 700

6 left utg open limping 12bb stack

j10 limp from button not realising bb was short. had to then call subsequent shove.

bearing this in mind, raise to x or open shove?

[Hangson]

You are 15BB effective with 4 players left
and with antes I would just ship here.

[taipan168]

Ran this in SNG Wiz with UTG limping 18% and calling a shove with 11%, Button and SB calling with 8% and BB calling with 12% and shoving was -1.4% EV.

[Fielmann]

Folding is fine, I don't hate shoving with the reads you have.

I wouldn't raise less than all-in, I think we'd rarely get action from hands we dominate, but sometimes lower pairs that would have folded, had we shoved, may decide to come over the top. Being last to act on flop is not a great advantage either with these stack sizes.

[ed cooper]

Folding is fine...

you say this because of the limper?

[Fielmann]

you say this because of the limper?

In a sense, yes, because if there wasn't a limper, I wouldn't fold. Then again I probably wouldn't fold if our position was better or if we had a better hand or if the effective stack was smaller. It's possible that I wouldn't fold if the stack distribution was different or if the pay-outs were different or if the reads were different. So it's not correct to say that it's just because of the limper.

[dneureiter]

Taipan I think the ranges you gave are inaccurate, he certainly limps wider, probably calls wider and we can discount some % of TT+ AQ+

@ fielmann:

That makes no sense, in my experience people aren't going to shove lower pocket pairs but "not give any action" with at least A8-AT most likely wider if we 3bet (less than allin). Same for if we shove, it's not going to fold out 66 but get calls from A8.

I shove this all day.

[taipan168]

Taipan I think the ranges you gave are inaccurate, he certainly limps wider, probably calls wider and we can discount some % of TT+ AQ+

Sure, give me some different ranges and I'll run them - I suspect it won't make a difference to the result, but let's take a look.

[TLR]

I would raise to by 400 and fold to a push

[Nakamura]

I have been thinking about these spots a lot lately. I am beginning to think that shoving in these spots is less +EV than raise-folding. It depends a lot on the tendencies of the players at the table, but I have a feeling that re-stealing ranges aren't much wider than calling ranges (to a shove). In that case raise-folding is better since we are mostly crushed and sometimes racing. For a villain to re-steal it requires that he has a lot of information on your style to know that you are capable of raise-folding off a 12-15 BB stack.

I am working on ways to interrogate my database to find out the answer to exactly this type of problem.