WW 2013 Edition: The Conglomerate

[rong]

Gabe, the way you've positioned things now means that nobody can change their mind or push for a different lynch other than jyms without being very suspect, when half hour ago it was a free for all with lots of people putting forth their opinions. I don't like how you did that.

[daven]

ok, I'm trying to figure out what is best re my vote given that i'll be outa here pretty soon and not back before the day ends. It almost seems most sensible to simply not vote? I mean, the person i was planning on switching my vote to after i had looked at the players on each wagon was jyms - but I'm hesitant to vote for him now because he already has numbers and if he's a villager then having yet another vote on him seems like it could make things too easy for the wolves.

[Hoopy]

so whats our strategy to counter this? narrow it down to 2? if we decide as a village to do this the wolves would try very hard to have 2 villagers on the chopping block and hopefully their efforts would give us plenty of info if we come up empty on the lynch

Trying to narrow it down to 2 seems risky, how do we pick them? Plus wolves avoid having to give good reasons for votes.

[gabe]

Gabe, the way you've positioned things now means that nobody can change their mind or push for a different lynch other than jyms without being very suspect, when half hour ago it was a free for all with lots of people putting forth their opinions. I don't like how you did that.

we were going to be in a tough spot anyway. if jyms wouldve won by 2 votes, its very likely hes innocent, because the margin is small enough the wolves should be able to switch the village vote to someone else. this way if hes a wolf, we dont get owned by second guessing in the last hour. the wolves are just too powerful a voting block when our votes are spread across 4 people

the question now is what do we do if jyms is innocent. if by solving this we get a better idea for who to lynch now, i think thats the only way we can change.

ill just throw this out there..

if jyms is innocent, the people on his late bandwagon (aubrey, dtb, gizmo, keith, me) are hiding a wolf. the only way they are all innocent is if none of our top suspects are wolves, which im hoping isnt the case

[gabe]

this was right before boog said lets lynching fulksy made more sense than jyms (which was minutes before jyms finally spoke up)

Jyms (4): XTR1000, Keith, GatorJH, Aubrey

now Jyms(7): Bikes, Wufwugy, Aubrey, Dropthebanana, Keith, Gizmo, Gabe

if jyms is innocent i think we go bikes or dtb to follow up?

[rong]

we were going to be in a tough spot anyway. if jyms wouldve won by 2 votes, its very likely hes innocent, because the margin is small enough the wolves should be able to switch the village vote to someone else. this way if hes a wolf, we dont get owned by second guessing in the last hour. the wolves are just too powerful a voting block when our votes are spread across 4 people

the question now is what do we do if jyms is innocent. if by solving this we get a better idea for who to lynch now, i think thats the only way we can change.

ill just throw this out there..

if jyms is innocent, the people on his late bandwagon (aubrey, dtb, gizmo, keith, me) are hiding a wolf. the only way they are all innocent is if none of our top suspects are wolves, which im hoping isnt the case

So what you're telling me, if I'm reading this right, and I think I am. Is that by doing this in the way you've engineered, we'll pretty much know that there's a wolf within a group if 5 players. Well I take back my criticism, this is fine work!

[gabe]

i see 3 cases

1 jyms is a wolf
2 one of the bandwagoners is a wolf
3 pascal, jyms, hoopy, dtb are all (or at least 3?) innocent

3 would be true if the wolves didnt care who got lynched, so they didnt try to be on anyones bandwagon


we dont pretty much know anything unless people keep contributing !

[rong]

this was right before boog said lets lynching fulksy made more sense than jyms (which was minutes before jyms finally spoke up)

Jyms (4): XTR1000, Keith, GatorJH, Aubrey

now Jyms(7): Bikes, Wufwugy, Aubrey, Dropthebanana, Keith, Gizmo, Gabe

if jyms is innocent i think we go bikes or dtb to follow up?

Are you throwing me a bone?

[daven]

ok, i'm outa here. Leaving my vote as it is. I'll be back just over a day from now.

[gabe]

I don't like how you did that.

thats something a wolf would think

shoot/seer rong?

[jackvance]

thats something a wolf would think

shoot/seer rong?

The reasoning in his post that prefaces the quote makes sense for a villager, so how do you jump to such a rash conclusion?

[Hoopy]

this was right before boog said lets lynching fulksy made more sense than jyms (which was minutes before jyms finally spoke up)

Jyms (4): XTR1000, Keith, GatorJH, Aubrey

now Jyms(7): Bikes, Wufwugy, Aubrey, Dropthebanana, Keith, Gizmo, Gabe

if jyms is innocent i think we go bikes or dtb to follow up?

So if jyms is a wolf then the 4 who voted for him early on day 1 are pretty much cleared?

[OngBonga]

So if jyms is a wolf then the 4 who voted for him early on day 1 are pretty much cleared?

Yup, just like boog was cleared for being quick on my wagon last game.

[gabe]

The reasoning in his post that prefaces the quote makes sense for a villager, so how do you jump to such a rash conclusion?

there was a rash suggestion but not a rash conclusion!

hoopy, I don't think so completely but if jyms was a wolf we'll be sitting pretty with info

the longer jyms goes without posting the better I feel about him not being a special role

[OngBonga]

the longer jyms goes without posting the better I feel about him not being a special role

Yeah, including wolf.

[Hoopy]

Yup, just like boog was cleared for being quick on my wagon last game.

But this was on day 1 when jyms hadn't posted at all. I think the wolves wouldn't want to vote for him early when inactives were the main targets.

[GatorJH]

The biggest problem I see with a Jyms lynch is that I am SURE he would have piped up by now. I just can't see him being this inactive unless he asked his fellow wolves to cover for him for a few days (which could explain the multitude of other bandwagons that got started).

[JKDS]

Vote Count 2.04
Hoopy(3): bigred, GatorJH, Jackvance
Bigred(1): Boog690
Boog(1): Jyms
Dropthebanana(2): Rong, Pascal
Jyms(7): Bikes, Wufwugy, Aubrey, Dropthebanana, Keith, Nightgizmo, Gabe
Pascal(4): Daven, Hoopy, Xtr1000, Ongbonga

Not voting: No one.

Deadline is in 3hrs, 45min. With 18 alive it takes 10 to lynch!

Should a tie occur, the leading wagon just before the tie occurred will win. It matters not who was winning prior to this tie, nor if other ties preceded it.

The only game information given exclusively to the wolves is what was contained in their role pm.

A friend of mine from High School is a Furry.

[BooG690]

Just woke up. Great stuff today. This is turning out to be a great WW with all the posting. Bigred is even starting to KINDA post. rescind Bigred

I just wanted to come here and point out these two posts. Both these posts are the fluffiest, "I agree with everyone" posts I've seen this game. I posted shit like this last game when I was going inactive. The easiest path for the wolves to take is to buddy up just about EVERYONE except the person on the chopping block. They don't have to worry about him/her any more as soon as they're gone and they can repeat the process the next day. I like a DTB lynch a little bit more than a bikes lynch but both seem quite wolfy here. FWIW, these posts come to us 15 minutes of each other.

more of dear lawd kill me now. benard pollard has shattered the dreams of the new england patriots for the fourth time.

inactive people annoy me. i never understand wtf pascal is talking about. ong and wuf are doing their usual talk out of their ass and eventually something sticks and they claim godmode. bigred is doing the standard bigred of having lots of 'bigred fun' while not providing anything of actual value but we all love bigred so we keep him around. boog seems to be genuinely annoyed at the bigred fun so he wants him to gone. gator seems quiet but again given that it's the weekend and the playoffs were on sunday i can't say i fault him. gabe is the master of levels and i can never understand which level he's on. i just assume it's the level ahead of whichever level i'm thinking on

the only person i find actually suspicious through posting is jyms as he's usually absurdly thick skinned and not so this game so i kept my vote as jyms.

I'm finding more reasons to not be suspicious of people rather than reasons to be. Definitely a tough roster.

I like the fact that Gabe is using his resources to defend against illogical reasoning rather than lead bandwagon crusades. He played the voice of reason last game and I was for sure he had something up his sleeve since it's such a non standard way to play. (Especially since I was on the receiving end of his bolds)

Wolves tend to use the majority of their arguments against people and not for them.

Along with what I've mentioned about Keith, Pascal, and Daven, I find it odd that Jyms isn't entertaining more thoughts out loud.

I've only played with him once but he was right in the thick of things pointing fingers, making arguments, etc. Then he said he was going to remain a high frequency poster, but is lacking there.**

I think he froze up and is playing a more neutral role now that he pulled wolf since he caught so much shit for his previous play style.

I find this information the most damning.

Lynch Jyms

** I realize this is a pot/kettle statement coming from me. I'm not criticizing his lack of posting just noting an abnormality.

I'll be regularly checking this thread to see if there are any developments to the jyms situation. I assume there won't be.

[jyms]

I'm not a wolf. I started a new job today. It's a long story that I ain't going to go into here. If anyone a wants to hear it I will post it but suffice to say I am about to get active again. Yes I am posting different than in past games but no god damn way would I do that to float by as a wolf. I'd be mixing it up for sure. I'm just hoping others can hold down the fort for a while until I get sorted out. I haven't even got an excel sheet together to start narrowing down my thoughts.

[BooG690]

You have less than three hours to present your presentation.

[wufwugy]

rescind jyms lynch dtb

[wufwugy]

fwiw, i actually believe jyms when he says he wouldn't skate by as a wolf. while i also think he would tone it down as a wolf, that's a little different. im still okay with lynching him, but im kinda okay with lynching everybody who has been close so far

[jyms]

The biggest thing I can say to show I am not a wolf is that I would at least have some guys I could lean on to give me some direction or tell me what to do while I was unable to read what's going on. Truth is I know fuck all and haven't even read most of what's been posted. If I hadn't seen my name coming up I wouldn't be posting right now and hoping to get some reading and catching up done during night 2

[jackvance]

I'll switch to dtb, going to sleep now so if others need a wagon to switch off of jyms from. Never liked the jyms lynch much, even less now after his post.

lynch dtb

[gabe]

good enough for me
lynch DTB

i keep reading the post of his that boog quoted and it seems like the whole thing hes really talking about himself. combined with posts like the following, dtb really seems like he doesnt have perspective on this game, only how a wolf might act.

Definitely agree that lower post count players should get lynched early while our information gathering is in it's infancy.

Last game just turned into two divided teams of villagers chucking accusations at each other while the wolves watched from the bleachers.

Even with that being said:

I played the "I'm new, what do we do?" card in my first game in which I happened to be a wolf and since, I've noticed it is a pretty standard go to play for first time players who drew wolf.

Lynch Daven

If the game was set up like the last one, my answer would be no. But...

He was a massive lynch candidate almost every day last game with that high volume/go get 'em play style. I ABSOLUTELY think he'd tone it down a notch to ward off those kind of heavy accusations again. More so now that we have specials.

also jyms wagon transition to dtb wagon doesnt seem wolfy, so its safe if we agree they have similiar merits

DTB has the least amount of posts too. jyms has twice the amount that dtb has and we're making jyms explain himself (lol)

[Hoopy]

The 4 people I suspect (JV, bikes, DTB, Pascal) are divided up between the 2 main wagons, confusing.

[BooG690]

The lack of presentation is compelling enough as jyms' defense. Getting a player trying to skate by and not paying attention to the game is a nice extra.

Lynch DTB

[Hoopy]

Decision + sleep time.

rescind Pascal
lynch DTB

[GatorJH]

After scanning the last 4 pages I can dig a lynch dtb

[DropTheBanana]

Goddammit. Without The Angel this is going to suck.

I was hoping I had enough heat to stay away from the wolves targeting me but not enough to get the chopping block from the village, but since this isn't gong to turn around without me doing this...

I'm The Seer.

I looked up Wufwugy and he's a villager. Was hoping to stockpile more information but C'est La Vie.

Use that as best you can.

GG.

[DropTheBanana]

I was unsure how to play the role since it's the first time I drew a special.

Sorry for letting you down guys.

[JKDS]

Vote Count 2.04
Hoopy(1): bigred
Boog(2): Jyms
Dropthebanana(7): Rong, Pascal, wufwugy, Jackvance, Gabe, Boog, Hoopy, GatorJH
Jyms(5): Bikes, Aubrey, Dropthebanana, Keith, Nightgizmo
Pascal(3): Daven, Xtr1000, Ongbonga

Not voting: Nobody

Deadline is in 2hours 5min. With 18 alive it takes 10 to lynch!

I'm going to run from walking-dead style zombies in March. Its gonna be awesome. Be jealous.

[OngBonga]

Probably a fake claim, feel like we've binked here.

pascal, jv or xtr guys... listen to da ong!

[OngBonga]

lynch XTR

Gotta be the safest bet, reassess tomorrow.

[OngBonga]

Really? We can muster up 6 votes in an hour but no rescinds in half an hour when he claims? Cmon guys, not a good time to disappear.

[jyms]

Either way, without the angel the seer being outted is useless anyway isn't it?

[OngBonga]

Yes but if he is the seer, then we force the wolves to kill him, thus protecting the vig. And if he doesn't get killed, we know he's lying.

[jyms]

and if we lynch the vig and he's lying where does that leave us?

[gabe]

no, lets at least lynch pascal so the wolves will have to eat DTB. if the wolves eat anyone else theyre dumb (assuming he isnt a wolf himself, but that we'll know soon enough if hes lying) enough people are suspicious of pascal to get it through. i wouldnt vote to lynch xtr

lynch pascal

[OngBonga]

I guess that's the risk we have to take. It's pretty unlikely we hit the angel, seer and vig in three lynches.

[gabe]

I was unsure how to play the role since it's the first time I drew a special.

Sorry for letting you down guys.

youd only be letting us down if you didnt get back in time to get on the last second bandwagon

[OngBonga]

Ok pascal is fine too. lynch pascal

[gabe]

I guess that's the risk we have to take. It's pretty unlikely we hit the angel, seer and vig in three lynches.

if pascal is the vig we should win award for worst village ever !!!

[DropTheBanana]

Either way, without the angel the seer being outted is useless anyway isn't it?

I wasn't pleading for my life as I'm done by the time Day 3 gets here regardless.

I just wanted to get my Wuf look up out before the 10th vote hit and the thread was locked.

[jyms]

no, lets at least lynch pascal so the wolves will have to eat DTB. if the wolves eat anyone else theyre dumb (assuming he isnt a wolf himself, but that we'll know soon enough if hes lying) enough people are suspicious of pascal to get it through. i wouldnt vote to lynch xtr

lynch pascal

And if the wolves don't eat him, we think he's lying and lynch him tomorrow only to find out we wasted another day and he is the seer and don't believe anything he says even if he looks up a wolf tonight?

[OngBonga]

if pascal is the vig we should win award for worst village ever !!!

Pretty sure last time we had specials they all got lynched. I would actually be really amused if we did it again.

[gabe]

also, at least we got the info from the seer before he got nommed. congrats wuf on being a villager. i hope rilla doesnt have pre written stories so we have the pleasure of him weaving this tale for us

[OngBonga]

And if the wolves don't eat him, we think he's lying and lynch him tomorrow only to find out we wasted another day and he is the seer and don't believe anything he says even if he looks up a wolf tonight?

If he lives through the night, we just leave him alive. They can't keep ignoring him, because he gets another look up. They might gamble one night so we lynch him tomorrow, but they won't let us keep him alive for longer if he is the seer. Don't sweat on it. Lynching him is dumb. If he's the seer, wolves have to kill him eventually. If he's wolf, we lynch in a few days when it's painfully obvious.

[gabe]

tick tock tick tock who browsing the thread but not getting off the bandwagon. theres no doubt we dont lynch dtb

[bikes]

rescind jyms lynch pascal

off the wagon!

[jyms]

Ok, recind Boog lynch pascal.

[OngBonga]

We're nearly there... pretty sure dan, hoopy, and jv are asleep, two Brits and a Belgian... wuf though, he's on banana and this is prime time for him... wuffywufwuf, where are you? You have the power!

[OngBonga]

Also, boog said he'd be refreshing... I think pascal is looking pretty fucked, so if you're browsing pascal, you might want to pretend to be seer too hahahahaha.

[gabe]

also DTB could change.. i suspect some others are browsing the thread and not posting. wolf allies of pascal or people that doubt jyms, or maybe even the real seer trying to figure out what to do

[bigred]

I feel like this bandwagon smells of wolves...far too easy of a change

[OngBonga]

Yeah the fact banana hasn't already voted for pascal speaks volumes imo.

[bigred]

And also how quickly Jyms wagon derailed...

[OngBonga]

I feel like this bandwagon smells of wolves...far too easy of a change

bigfred, we've got a claimed seer, of course the next bandwagon is going to go through real easy. You have any better suggestions?

[wufwugy]

Yeah the fact banana hasn't already voted for pascal speaks volumes imo.

you mean in that it shows banana is a wolf?

[OngBonga]

you mean in that it shows banana is a wolf?

And pascal...

[OngBonga]

Let's assume banana is seer... he votes for anyone other than wuf.

Let's assume he's wolf... the only people he'll show a reluctance to vote for are his buddies.

Why no vote banana?

[wufwugy]

And pascal...

oh yes, excellent point

[DropTheBanana]

you mean in that it shows banana is a wolf?

Either that or I got in the shower before meeting some friends at the bar. Tomato/Toe-Mah-Toe.

I left when Pascal and Jyms were tied at 5 with my vote on Jyms. I've had my eye on both of them and they are a coin toss for my vote.

lynch pascal

[gabe]

why would villager wufwugy still vote for dtb

why would bigred not switch

[DropTheBanana]

Why no vote banana?

I went a whole 30 minutes without looking at the internet. I know that seems strange but it happens.

[jackvance]

I'm here, decided to watch a movie instead of sleeping.. this is quite a development.. I don't think I believe banana but I'll switch anyway because it's the better play.

lynch pascal

[OngBonga]

Ok banana, fair enough. It doesn't matter if you're a wolf or seer anyway now, you're dead soon so I'm not going to bend my head trying to figure out if you're honest or not. I'll just go with probability, which says you're 4x more likely to be wolf than seer, since wolf always claims seer in this spot.

Yeah wuf and bigred, why aren't you switching? Banana's vote has put pascal in the lead now, I think, though I might have miscounted.

[OngBonga]

And now pascal must be ahead.

[bigred]

Blah blah blah. I'm thinking. that's hard for me

[wufwugy]

why would villager wufwugy still vote for dtb

i have an hour and am at comp now and will be able to decide. ive been trying to figure out why dtb would say he looked me up. something about that rubs me the wrong way, but i cant put my finger on it. i also naturally do not believe special outs, so im trying to find out if there's a reason dtb is obviously lying

[bigred]

I think I prefer a live jyms over a live pascal if there's a wolf in the two of them

[wufwugy]

I'm here, decided to watch a movie instead of sleeping.. this is quite a development.. I don't think I believe banana but I'll switch anyway because it's the better play.

lynch pascal

could be a suspiciously timed post where jv only knows about this because he and dtb are wolves

[gabe]

i have an hour and am at comp now and will be able to decide. ive been trying to figure out why dtb would say he looked me up. something about that rubs me the wrong way, but i cant put my finger on it. i also naturally do not believe special outs, so im trying to find out if there's a reason dtb is obviously lying

it doesnt matter if you believe the special out or not.

if hes a wolf lying about it, we found a wolf, and we'll know it, and we're in good shape. if hes not lying about it then its a huge mistake to lynch him. very clear spot to rescind dtb.

[bigred]

lynch pascal since my hoopy vote is useless. I think he dodged a bullet this round.

Which is more important from a wolves perspective? Killing seer asap or letting him live through the night to deflect a possible lynch on one of them?