WW 2013 Edition: The Conglomerate

[OngBonga]

Didn't wuf already tell us that on banana day, the three wagons were pascal, banana and jyms, and everyone was on one of those wagons? I don't understand how this doesn't give jyms a stronger case for being a villager than anyone else aside from bikes and those he's cleared. By killing jyms, we're killing someone who can help us narrow the wolf pool. He's a villager.

[bikes]

whereas there is almost no arguement whatsoever for a b00g lynch

[bikes]

so far jyms has provided no actual help and keeps using the excuse busy

[daven]

re a Gator lynch

Jyms - you had Gator pegged as 'wolf?' in an earlier post where you listed all players remaining and their likely roles. (you also listed Boog, Hoopy, me, Aubrey, Nightgizmo as likely wolves). Do you have him as a likely wolf simply by virtue of being an unknown, or is there more to it than that?

Hoopy - you listed a bunch of players you think are villagers, Gator isn't on this list. Same question as to Jyms.

re a Nightgizmo lynch. Same questions here for both Jyms and Hoopy.

I don't think Gator or Nightgizmo are great lynch targets today, mostly based on posting content that at least appears legit. Neither are terrible either though I guess. Aubrey seems a better target given that she seems to have disappeared again and has posted very little opinion on people or their roles thus far in the game. Really hard to read anything into her posts or voting patterns.

[OngBonga]

gizmo vs aybrey seems a better choice of wagons to me.

[Hoopy]

re a Gator lynch

Hoopy - you listed a bunch of players you think are villagers, Gator isn't on this list. Same question as to Jyms.

re a Nightgizmo lynch. Same questions here for both Jyms and Hoopy.

The list is people who have played like villagers or have things like voting history in their favor. Everyone else is an unknown in my book, Gator is hard to read so goes in the unknown column for now.

Gizmo is quieter than usual, nothing more suspicious than that in his posts.

I'm prepared to trust the seer if we can't come up with a definite wagon by the end of the day.

rescind Nightgizmo

[daven]

i think this is how the votes stand at the moment - can someone double check for me? i started from the last vote count at post 1428

Boog(2): Wuf, Jyms,
Jyms(2): bikes, Daven,
Nightgizmo(2); Hoopy, Ong
Wuf(1):,Keith
Gator(2): Nightgizmo, Jackvance
Hoopy : Boog

[bikes]

people who have yet to get off the b00g wagon make me super super suspect.

[Hoopy]

lynch jyms

[JKDS]

Vote Count 4.04

Boog(2): Wuf, Jyms,
Jyms(3): bikes, Daven, Hoopy
Nightgizmo(1); Ong
Wuf(1):,Keith
Gator(2): Nightgizmo, Jackvance
Hoopy(1) Boog

Not voting:, Aubrey, Bigred, Gator

Deadline is in 4 hours 16 minutes. With 13 alive it takes 7 to lynch!

I haz actual mod powers soonz. FEAR ME, RAWR

[wufwugy]

Problem I have is that I'm still reading everything with the bias that jack is a wolf.

Really? And yet you still think lynching me is a good idea? Including that you have been all over the place today on why I'm a bad lynch, yet you still think it's a good idea. You're contradicting your thought processes in the worst way

lynch Ong

I have little more to say because JV is probably the vig and will shoot me

[jackvance]

[b]rescind gator

lynch aubrey[b]

[jackvance]

woops
rescind gator

lynch aubrey

[wufwugy]

if aubrey's not a villager, i will eat my own foot

[jyms]

This is super-obvious. JV should never be lynched today, especially with bikes outing as seer as well. Worst case, both specials have outed. If we lynch one and the wolves nom the other tonight, we're in a world of hurt. Best case -- they are both wolves (highly unlikely) and the game is over. Most likely case -- bikes is real seer and JV is the wolf.

We'll know for sure 100% of the time if JV is a wolf tonight -- either the wolves eat him and he flips vig, or the real vig shoots him and he flips wolf.

And if bikes is the real seer -- he's probably dead tonight, too.

Really? You come out of the blue and finally post something that we have all discussed and understand and this is your contribution. it looks to me like your trying to post content without saying anything to sway votes because your not in danger atm. I think you've been far too quiet and your name has been on the tip of many tongues.

Rescind Boog lynch Gizmo

[jyms]

FWIW I am packing tonight and will be present but sporadic. Moving day tomorrow to my new building where I'm the Superintendent. Home all day for the win #nocummute

[jyms]

I have little more to say because JV is probably the vig and will shoot me

If he's Vig I think this would be a mistake. JV is a pretty good player and probably could make some solid decision to step outside the box and make the village choices easier. Wolves can't take out an obvious villager because they need to take out bikes. Unless they gamble on bikes being wrong and try to get JV from pegging a wolf. If I was a wolf I would do this, I think bikes is farther off from finding wolves than JV is.

[OngBonga]

Wuf, show me where I'm contradicting myself.

[OngBonga]

I'll save you the both wuf. I'm not contradicting myself. You're voting for me on flawed logic.

I said you were a bad lynch at the beginning of the day because I felt there was a high chance you got seer'd. Now, what's changed since then wuf?

[OngBonga]

both = bother obv

[jackvance]

I have little more to say because JV is probably the vig and will shoot me

[jackvance]

If he's Vig I think this would be a mistake. JV is a pretty good player and probably could make some solid decision to step outside the box and make the village choices easier. Wolves can't take out an obvious villager because they need to take out bikes. Unless they gamble on bikes being wrong and try to get JV from pegging a wolf. If I was a wolf I would do this, I think bikes is farther off from finding wolves than JV is.

I have taken into account that they might nom me over the seer tonight, but after have done the math on population size, I don't think they will. But it is possible.

[wufwugy]

just keep in mind you're only doing it because you're upset i went after you

next time i'll just keep quiet. it's the only way to not get targeted in this game apparently

[OngBonga]

Deadline approaches...

So wuf, you're leaving your vote on me, despite the fact that your reason for voting me is false?

lynch wuf

Better than jyms. All jyms has done to look wolfy is not be ridiculously active, though he's still as active as anyone not called wuf or ong. Wuf has acted shocked when he becomes a target, he's looking for lame reasons to lynch me, he's miles more likely to be wolf imo.

We need to decide what we're doing. Let's not allow wolfjack to seal a late lynch on someone who shouldn't even be targetted.

I'm away on a stag do from friday to sunday, then with family until tuesday, so my activity is going to be ridiculously low next ww day, apologies in advance.

[jyms]

Ong. I don't think a revenge bold helps us get a Wagon started on anyone really. Can we focus on getting something started before time runs down.

[wufwugy]

Deadline approaches...

So wuf, you're leaving your vote on me, despite the fact that your reason for voting me is false?

lynch wuf

Better than jyms. All jyms has done to look wolfy is not be ridiculously active, though he's still as active as anyone not called wuf or ong. Wuf has acted shocked when he becomes a target, he's looking for lame reasons to lynch me, he's miles more likely to be wolf imo.

We need to decide what we're doing. Let's not allow wolfjack to seal a late lynch on someone who shouldn't even be targetted.

I'm away on a stag do from friday to sunday, then with family until tuesday, so my activity is going to be ridiculously low next ww day, apologies in advance.

I don't care anymore. I did as much as I could to help the village and find wolves, and it looks like the vig will be shooting me in just a couple hours. I have nothing left to say other than I'm irritated that this is around the fourth time I've become a target in these games merely due to trying to trying to help the village. I thought we had put this behind us, but apparently the only solution is for me to just keep quiet in future games

Have fun

[OngBonga]

Wuf is a wolf.

[wufwugy]

yep aaaaaaaaaarrrrrroooooooooooo

[OngBonga]

How are you helping the village wuf by finding shit reasons to vote for me, then when told it's shit, still keep your vote there?

[Keith]

hmm not sure whether to get off wuf now and move to jyms , or do we lynch wuf and shoot jyms. note how jyms and wuf both got off boog within 5 minutes.

[wufwugy]

How are you helping the village wuf by finding shit reasons to vote for me, then when told it's shit, still keep your vote there?

i am honestly baffled that you want to lynch me. i know you're not dumb enough to think im a wolf here. i took your jv rationale and put a sledge hammer to it, i provided very precise and logistically sound details for my behavior across the entire game. you know im not a wolf, yet you seem to not be paying attention to that

i honestly dont care who dies to today because i staked my claim against boog from the very beginning and i also stated that i wont be giving much opinion today. you guys are doing this crappy dispersed wagon all by yourselves; the last time i tried to help and fix it to something more favorable for the village, i became the big loser. forgive me if im once bitten twice shy and uninterested in putting much more effort in since it appears jv is the vig

i guess bolding you is my way of telling the village to look at you after im dead

[wufwugy]

hmm not sure whether to get off wuf now and move to jyms , or do we lynch wuf and shoot jyms. note how jyms and wuf both got off boog within 5 minutes.

oh the terrible dilemma!

[Hoopy]

How about rescinding your votes, neither of you are wolves.

[wufwugy]

actually, you guys should just lynch me because then i can go to the dead thread sooner where im sure they have this all figured out

so yeah aaaaaarrrooooooo bark bark bark snarl snaaarrrlll bark bark

[jyms]

hmm not sure whether to get off wuf now and move to jyms , or do we lynch wuf and shoot jyms. note how jyms and wuf both got off boog within 5 minutes.

You seem to have a real bad opnion of the people playing and me and Wuf in particular to think we are this stupid as a 2 wolf team. Trust me when I say, if me and wuf were your remaining wolves we would probably have the village dancing the jig and lynching Bikes for fake outting

[wufwugy]

You seem to have a real bad opnion of the people and me and Wuf in particular to think we are this stupid as a 2 wolf team. Trust me when I say, if me and wuf were your remaining wolves we would probably have the village dancing the jig and lynching Bikes for fake outting

good point

at what point does keith realize that according to his theory, you and i purposely killed both pascal and dtb? answer: never, not even after i (or perhaps you) flip villager

[wufwugy]

when does this stupid day end? can the wolves please keep the night below 24 hours? i dont wanna wait forever just to finally make it into the dead thread and make fun of y'all

actually, it's possible the night doesn't need to last long. wolves already know they want to kill bikes and if jv is vig, then he's shooting me, so yaaaaaay u can make the night last like 3 hours if you wanted

[OngBonga]

This is bullshit. You're complaining about dispersed wagons, while you're voting for me. Since when does wuf ever stop trying to figure it out when he thinks he's going to die? If you were a villager who truly thought you were getting shot, you be all over this, instead of wasting your time and vote on me.

Why are you a villager wuf? Because you said pascal was a fanfuckingtastic lynch? Because you helped us flush banana out? If this makes you a villager, then how in the fuck am I a wolf?

I think you're a wolf, and I think jack is a wolf.

[BooG690]

Lynch Wuf for being a whiney bitch.

[wufwugy]

This is bullshit. You're complaining about dispersed wagons, while you're voting for me. Since when does wuf ever stop trying to figure it out when he thinks he's going to die? If you were a villager who truly thought you were getting shot, you be all over this, instead of wasting your time and vote on me.

Why are you a villager wuf? Because you said pascal was a fanfuckingtastic lynch? Because you helped us flush banana out? If this makes you a villager, then how in the fuck am I a wolf?

I think you're a wolf, and I think jack is a wolf.

damn son, way to out yourself.

1. im not complaining about dispersed wagons. i ALREADY did that and paid the price for it. im merely pointing out to u

2. i already staked my claim and i dont have much opinion on others. since i realized im either getting shot or lynched due to trying to find wolves, i stopped actually caring, and do not have any actual opinion about gizmo or hoopy. and the jyms wagon does not sit right with me. so im just bleh on the whole thing

3. im a villager for a million reasons. not because i said pascal was a good lynch, but because of WHY. under no circumstances does a wolf say that to him in the forum.

not because of going after dtb, but WHEN and HOW. under no circumstances am i going to pop off jyms to dtb so he can fake out. and if jyms is a wolf, under no circumstances would the three top wagons be wolves, wherein we effectively killed half the team due to idiocy.

im not a wolf because my explanation for why the jv vs jyms wagon predicated on bigred being the seer is a far better explanation for behavior than anything any wolves ever do

im not a wolf because i took the village reigns in a huge way while the seer and vig were still alive. wolves never actually do this

i do not need to go on. this is just masturbatory at this point

4. if you think jack is a wolf, the last thing you would want to do is lynch me. the very fucking last. because if he's a wolf, it would mean that i purposely got the second to last wolf killed. this shit is all on early game phase. you really think im going to be integral in killing off so much of my team that im the last wolf remaining for all of mid and late game? get a clue

the fact that you dont see this makes you look either bad or a wolf yourself


and your attacks against pascal and dtb are not as logistically sound as you think. they're really good hedgers, but not unheard of tactics

[wufwugy]

and with that ong is a wolf. him still thinking jv is a wolf yet wanting to kill me is either extremely airheaded or extremely wolf

if y'all wanna get crazy, we can gat him today

[wufwugy]

Lynch Wuf for being a whiney bitch.

[BooG690]

If it makes you feel any better Wuf, I barely think you're a wolf anymore. I just think you're being a little girl about getting lynched. It's all part of the game. You seem surprised that people wanna lynch you because you think you were the shit this game. You actually played a shit game this time around. Look at your voting history. Sure you bolded Pascal...but you bolded half the village as well. You're the Wuf who cried wolf.

[OngBonga]

More bullshit.

you guys are doing this crappy dispersed wagon all by yourselves

That is you complaining about dispersed wagons.

lynch Ong

That is your current vote.

Here's the thing wuf... I don't consider myself lock villager thanks to the role I played in flushing out pascal and banana. You seem to think your role makes you lock villager, while you also seem to think I can be a wolf. There's a contradiction, wuf. You say I'm contradicting myself, then when I challenge you to show me why, you fail, and you don't even remove your crappy vote.

I don't see you taking this line as villager, wuf.

[wufwugy]

If it makes you feel any better Wuf, I barely think you're a wolf anymore. I just think you're being a little girl about getting lynched. It's all part of the game. You seem surprised that people wanna lynch you because you think you were the shit this game. You actually played a shit game this time around. Look at your voting history. Sure you bolded Pascal...but you bolded half the village as well. You're the Wuf who cried wolf.

the one where i got gator lynched, which caused the downfall of the whole thing, was a shit game.

this one's about 50:50 given current information.

[Hoopy]

Gator, aubrey and bigred need to vote, holding back isn't an option right now.

[wufwugy]

More bullshit.



That is you complaining about dispersed wagons.



That is your current vote.

Here's the thing wuf... I don't consider myself lock villager thanks to the role I played in flushing out pascal and banana. You seem to think your role makes you lock villager, while you also seem to think I can be a wolf. There's a contradiction, wuf. You say I'm contradicting myself, then when I challenge you to show me why, you fail, and you don't even remove your crappy vote.

I don't see you taking this line as villager, wuf.

I have shown you, but you do not listen. By your very own thought process, if JV is a wolf (which you say you think he is), then I am never a good lynch today; if JV is the vig, then I'm shot, thus never a good lynch today

Under no circumstances are you getting lynched today. Don't worry about it

[OngBonga]

Under no circumstances are you getting lynched today. Don't worry about it

I'm not worried, just pointing out the wft in you complaining about dispersed wagons while voting for somebody who, by your own admission, is not getting lynched today.

jv being vig or wolf means nothing, I think you're a wolf regardless. Your behaviour is not what I expect from a villager wuf. You try pointing to imaginary contradictions to back up your claim I'm a wolf, even though you know full well I'm full of contradictions as villager. So your case against me is shit with a healthy dose of bullshit. Yet, your vote is still there.

[wufwugy]

Your behaviour is not what I expect from a villager wuf.

i dont believe you think that for a second

plz to be lynching ong tomorrow

[OngBonga]

Your behaviour is not what I expect from a villager wuf.

i dont believe you think that for a second

Yes, and I explained why.

You try pointing to imaginary contradictions to back up your claim I'm a wolf, even though you know full well I'm full of contradictions as villager. So your case against me is shit with a healthy dose of bullshit. Yet, your vote is still there.

[wufwugy]

Yes, and I explained why.

not contradictions in ideas, but in thought processes. that's an important distinction

[jackvance]

Wuf, please calm down. I am not going to shoot you, and I have been convinced you are a villager for quite some time now. I had my reasons to keep up the act (which I can talk about after the game). But now it's just getting way out of hand so here's the truth.

Ong vs wuf, this is as blatant villager infighting as it comes. I had something like this (on a less dragged out scale) quite some games ago with Keith once. I was so totally convinced he was wolf, that I badgered him endlessly. At one point he totally flipped out, but still I could only see wolf. Ofcourse he flipped villager after the lynch.

If wuf is a wolf afterall, he is one goddamn psychopath, no wolf can ever keep up emotions that aren't genuine for this long otherwise.

Please let's all get our noses pointing back in the right direction. And where on earth is Aubrey?

[BooG690]

Can we figure this out in 7 minutes? I'm unavailable after that.

[Hoopy]

Please let's all get our noses pointing back in the right direction. And where on earth is Aubrey?

Lurking, I'm up for lynching her today since she hasn't posted much of anything.

[jackvance]

What are the vote counts at now..

[Hoopy]

I say we make 2 wagons, jyms vs aubrey. Everyone can consolidate onto them.

[BooG690]

It really can't be that hard to scroll up. Jyms and Wuf tied at 3.

[OngBonga]

not contradictions in ideas, but in thought processes. that's an important distinction

And even if you believe this, it surprises you why? When was the last time I was a villager and had consistent thoughts throughout? You're pointing at things I do as villager and suggesting it means I'm a wolf. This is what I'm mean by shit with a healthy dose of bullshit.

[jackvance]

Lurking, I'm up for lynching her today since she hasn't posted much of anything.

My vote's already on her. I'm also game for a few other sensible wagons.

[BooG690]

Looks like I'm staying with Wuf. Good luck folks! Also, be careful who decides these wagons.

[Hoopy]

I'm also game for a few other sensible wagons.

How about a gizmo or jyms wagon?

[Hoopy]

rescind jyms
lynch aubrey

[wufwugy]

wait im not going to actually get vig'd? how much time is left in this godforsaken day?

[Hoopy]

We've got about 50mins left.

[wufwugy]

i dont think aubrey is ever a wolf. i dont really know what to say about her because i dont know what's fair play becuase i know her quite well personally. i thought her calling noms "lynches" made it pretty clear that she hasn't been communicating with wolves

as for her disappearance. i can explain it, but i dont know if i should. you know due to etiquette and all

[wufwugy]

lynch jyms

[wufwugy]

basically she gets super busy due to her job and school schedule, and can go silent for between one and three days

[Hoopy]

Back on the jyms wagon then.

rescind aubrey
lynch jyms

[wufwugy]

wuf - jyms
hoopy - aubrey
boog - wuf
ong - wuf
jyms - gizmo
jv - aubrey
bikes - jyms
daven - jyms
keith - wuf
gator - gizmo

my count

wuf 3
jyms 3
aubrey 2
gizmo 2

if jyms shows up he will for sure hop onto me if it stays like this

do what you think is best. im not going to vote for aubrey

[wufwugy]

correction:

hoopy back on jyms

so now

jyms 4
wuf 3
gizmo 2
aubrey 1

[OngBonga]

I'm not going to vote someone I'm convinced is a villager. The fact wuf would rather lynch jyms than aubrey, despite him championing the idea that jyms is practically cleared, this speaks volumes and shows wuf is more interested in avoiding lynch himself rather than us stringing up a wolf.

wuf, how is jyms more deserving of your vote than aubrey and gizmo?

[wufwugy]

I'm not going to vote someone I'm convinced is a villager. The fact wuf would rather lynch jyms than aubrey, despite him championing the idea that jyms is practically cleared, this speaks volumes and shows wuf is more interested in avoiding lynch himself rather than us stringing up a wolf.

wuf, how is jyms more deserving of your vote than aubrey and gizmo?

there are a few players i havent examined yet, and gizmo is one. so i have no opinion on gizmo atm

i simply think aubrey is less often a wolf than jyms. this is pretty much just due to me thinking i know her behavior so well that i could pick her out as a villager or a wolf a mile away, and im picking villager.

i dont like a jyms lynch, but it's a rock and hard place sorta thing

[wufwugy]

*something* is peculiar about jyms' play. whether that something is actually nothing or him being a wolf, i have no idea. i ended up thinking that "something" was him being the seer. if you think about it, he has been playing extremely seer-like

[OngBonga]

But you yourself have been asking how it makes sense for jyms to be a wolf, you're the one who pointed out just how bad the wolves must be for jyms, pascal and banana to all be wolves. You accuse me of inconsistency, yet you're currently voting for someone you think is a villager when there are other options available. You are not forced onto jyms here, far from it. If you were on gizmo instead of fucking about with me and now jyms, I'd have shifted to gizmo too. But as it is, I'm happy to stay on you, because I really want you to get lynched.

[wufwugy]

oh i remember something i thought several days ago that i forgot to point out at the time:

it is possible that jyms is a wolf and told his team that if he has to be taken out, that's okay, because he's been very busy with work and moving and stuff. i could see this as being a plausible explanation for how he could be a wolf with dtb and pascal