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  1. #1

    Default Bad Play? Or, a Failed Good Play?

    Turbo NLH 9-max - $1.5 + $0.1 -- 30/150/300 Blinds -- 2 Players

    HU, I'm quite the aggro monkey. I raise nearly every time and I rarely fold. It's a strategy that's worked at these stakes since so many are easy to push around, and don't do much to push back. This strategy also makes it easy for me to know where the villain is, as when they do push, they typically have something.

    BB - 3,750
    SB (Hero) - 9,750


    Pot is 510

    Dealt to Hero 5, Q

    Hero calls 150, Villain raises to 600, Hero calls 300

    Pot is 1260

    *** FLOP *** T, 3, 9

    Villain bets 300, Hero calls 300

    Pot is 1860

    *** TURN *** 8

    Villain bets 930, Hero raises to 3,410, Villain is all in 1,890

    Pre flop - I choose to limp/call pre since my holdings aren't all that great. However, I'm in position here, so I can probably take it OTF if the villain checks. Villain has always min-raised HU, when he does raise.

    OTF - Whoa! What awesome pot odds! I decide to just call b/c I can still win with a queen if he does have a pair, and depending on his turn bet and the turn card, I can still get away from the hand while maintaining my lead.

    OTT - At this point, I put villain on a flush draw and no pair. This means that I can with with a Q, J, or even at 5 that isn't a spade. It's a good card to bluff at, trying to represent a straight or two pair. Plus, if my read is right, I could probably push Villain off the flush draw.

    I'm wondering if my move on OTT was a good one that happened to fail, or if it was a bad play to raise there. Should I have perhaps folded pre, or even raised pre?

    I also wonder if villains at these stakes take image into account, which might have gotten me into a little trouble here.
    Last edited by agnesamurphy; 03-08-2013 at 06:30 PM.
  2. #2
    Min raise pre

    Where's the postflop reads on villain?

    I'd fold that turn. He sizes himself up for a nice river shove, is never folding unless he's all kinds of awful.
    Last edited by Luco; 03-08-2013 at 01:22 PM.
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  3. #3
    You need to make your HHs easier to read. Please post the HH all at once and THEN post your thoughts at the bottom (or post them all at once before the HH). This will give it a better chance of having it read by me, at least.

    I don't know what the pot is on any street other than preflop. If it's there and I just can't see it, it's because your HH is too cluttered with other stuff. Sure I could add the pot together myself as I read it, but I am never going to do that because I am lazy.
    Last edited by donkbee; 03-08-2013 at 01:58 PM.
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  4. #4
    Quote Originally Posted by Luco View Post
    He sizes himself up for a nice river shove, is never folding unless he's all kinds of awful.
    considering his bet sizing, I'm willing to bet he is awful
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  5. #5
    Quote Originally Posted by donkbee View Post
    You need to make your HHs easier to read. Please post the HH all at once and THEN post your thoughts at the bottom (or post them all at once before the HH). This will give it a better chance of having it read by me, at least.

    I don't know what the pot is on any street other than preflop. If it's there and I just can't see it, it's because your HH is too cluttered with other stuff. Sure I could add the pot together myself as I read it, but I am never going to do that because I am lazy.
    I made the changes. Hope this helps.
  6. #6
    This is not a good hand to limp. You should probably raise/fold preflop.

    Calling the flop is probably fine.

    I don't think your turn jam is horrible, but I don't really think it's good either. Usually when people bet tiny on the flop and then bigger on the turn, they like their hand a decent amount. You said that you put him on a flush draw and no pair, but I don't think you can narrow his range that much.

    If he had bet smaller on the turn or if the turn had given you a flush draw or open-ended straight draw instead of just a gutshot, a shove would be better. As it is now, fold is probably best.
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  7. #7
    I like your opening paragraph btw. At the $1.50s you can really go nuts on people when it gets to HU and it works so well because they take ages to adjust. As you pointed out, having such passive opposition means you know where you're at once they start betting.

    As donkbee said, he went from 1/4 pot flop to 1/2 pot turn which is indicative of strength.

    You mentioned image - most villains are capable of adjusting to you, it's only the super nits that struggle to open up in the face of aggression. Having said that, when someone who folds too much suddenly starts betting, they are rarely playing back with nothing and most likely have simply been waiting for a hand to fight you with. Just the occasional fold from the hero is often enough to keep the villain from adjusting much.
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  8. #8
    Wouldn´t have played this hand at all, but thats a diferent story.
    At latest I would have given up this hand on his turnn bet.

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