Drug smugglers and Feds gameplay thread

[gabe]

god damn rules. ok I'm wrong again.

in that case, wolves please kill wuf, vig kill me then revive me so we can cut some dead weight

[daven]

a message to the slayer of kittens
assuming I get lynched (it looks pretty likely right now), base your decision on who to give the gun to on how I flip.
When I flip villager, give JKDS the gun so he can at least kill ong.
Don't let wuf's egotistical incompetence result in a village massacre
cheers

[daven]

also, i know I'm not a wolf and I'm suspicious of a few players
bikes is one of those players, and he and I are running a pretty close in vote counts, so what's a poor boy gonna do?
Lynch Bikes

[gabe]

I believe in you daven


who is against a jyms lynch? daven and bikes just seem more innocent

[daven]

I believe in you daven


who is against a jyms lynch? daven and bikes just seem more innocent

jyms obv looks dodgy but i think he's likely just lazy self-interested villager tbh
pascal villager probably makes more sense
but I doubt either wagon will get enough votes this late in the day

[jyms]

I'm against it. I think I should get the gun. I would lynch daven and shoot Ong. That way infidelity villager, we kill wuf for leading us. I think if your going to take the lead you have to put your head on the block as well.

I can't believe we don't have a clear understanding of who to shoot and lynch to at least get the best info.

[wufwugy]

I believe in you daven


who is against a jyms lynch? daven and bikes just seem more innocent

Oh and Eug didn't seemed so guilty? You now care about a villager dying since it's your buddy on the chopping block?

The lynch is Daven and the vig gets to decide if he wants Gabe dead or Ong dead. It has been set up this way for a reason

[jyms]

I'd like to hear the reason that gabe and Ong are of the same fate. I hardly put gabe in the same boat as a confirmed fed

[daven]

here is today's voting
looks like i'm on 6
bikes on 3

I think team could look like ong/MMM/Bikes/? where ? = one of rilla/aubrey/gabe/jyms

hoopy -> aubrey rescind -> savy rescind -> daven
keith -> wuf -> Jyms -> daven
gabe -> aubrey -> bikes -> jyms
jkds -> savy rescind -> bikes
ng -> mmm rescind -> pascal rescind -> bikes
bikes -> aubrey
jv -> bikes
rilla -> lynch jyms -> jv -> daven
wuf -> lynch gabe rescind -> daven
ong -> lynch gabe
mmm -> hoopy rescind -> bikes rescind -> pascal
bikes -> lynch gabe rescind
aubrey -> jyms rescind -> daven
ong -> wuf
jyms -> ong -> daven
luco -> bikes
gator -> daven
daven -> bikes

[daven]

or gator, gator is so mia that it's impossible to tell

[daven]

Oh and Eug didn't seemed so guilty? You now care about a villager dying since it's your buddy on the chopping block?

The lynch is Daven and the vig gets to decide if he wants Gabe dead or Ong dead. It has been set up this way for a reason

you are going to feel incredibly stupid a few hours from now
at least read my post above re mmm and him claiming that rong hadn't warned pascal etc

[MadMojoMonkey]

Clearly my vote for Pascal is wasted so rescind Pascal

I can't figure why daven would have made that comment about me being in the wolf den in reference to my 420 post if he's wolf.

As has been posted, he's pulling off the innocent villager quite well.

Wuf... Wuf... You're so adamant. I don't see the daven lynch, but I don't see it going any other way.

I don't feel like it's bikes either, and if I flip for bikes, then savy or Gabe flip and it's a 7-7 split. Ong can flip to pick either daven or bikes, and I can't let that happen.

lynch daven

I do feel it's another vil kill, but failure do this could give the wolves some edge.

[daven]

Clearly my vote for Pascal is wasted so rescind Pascal

I can't figure why daven would have made that comment about me being in the wolf den in reference to my 420 post if he's wolf.

As has been posted, he's pulling off the innocent villager quite well.

Wuf... Wuf... You're so adamant. I don't see the daven lynch, but I don't see it going any other way.

I don't feel like it's bikes either, and if I flip for bikes, then savy or Gabe flip and it's a 7-7 split. Ong can flip to pick either daven or bikes, and I can't let that happen.

lynch daven

I do feel it's another vil kill, but failure do this could give the wolves some edge.

you think i'm a villager, yet vote to lynch me
lol
fuck it, Lynch MMM

[MadMojoMonkey]

you are going to feel incredibly stupid a few hours from now
at least read my post above re mmm and him claiming that rong hadn't warned pascal etc

I should learn to refresh before I post*. I was scrolling back to find the post where Rong had said that. I confirmed the language to make sure I wasn't an idiot, and then posted.

Sometimes this thread crawls and sometimes a bunch of posts come while I'm typing, and I frequently spend a lot of time re-writing things because I flesh out my ideas when they take word form. So I spent a bit writing the post, and by the time I shot it out, Rong had already explicitely stated the thing I was wondering about.

Did that really require an explanation? seemed obv to me.

*not bothering to refresh here, either.

[daven]

that is satisfying, bikes/mmm/ong/?

gl village
don't follow the wuf-god leader too much, he hasn't a clue

[wufwugy]

you are going to feel incredibly stupid a few hours from now
at least read my post above re mmm and him claiming that rong hadn't warned pascal etc

Why would I feel stupid? People have to die, and you only do the best you can.

I haven't driven the wagons the way some think I have. My plan was to lynch Ong and give the vig the option to kill you through me or somebody else through JKDS. I know that it would be idiotic for me to think that I can figure the entire game out right now. I've done it before and I've learned my lesson. In fact, I'm positive I'm wrong about several important things, but that doesn't negate the fact that from my perspective, the two best kills are you and Gabe. Every Day is a new one, and every villager has to pull their weight

The cases have been made and the village is choosing which they like the most

[MadMojoMonkey]

you think i'm a villager, yet vote to lynch me
lol
fuck it, Lynch MMM

Sorry man. I really am. With how bad I look, I can't be far behind.

Put yourself in the shoes of a clueless noob villager who's trying to defeat the wolves. Is my logic that bad?

[gabe]

rescind and lynch daven

remember to use this vote against me regardless of what he turns out to be!

[Luco]

Just woke up. Can't see a vote count but it looks like daven is ahead?

I'm going to end the day saying I'm still suspicious of gator and jv. Gabe seems intent on inserting the word villager into every post and it annoys me.

Wuf re me not voting daven it's more than what I posted with my lazy phone post - they basically spent half of day 1 calling attention to each other and keeping the villages focus on them. It seems an unnecessary day 1 wolf strategy when we're traditionally crap on day 1 anyway.

[Luco]

By they I meant ong and daven ldo. Fuck it, need coffee.

[Luco]

Still open? If I wasn't on my phone I'd share some spongebob gifs with you all. Ah well.

[Luco]

Who lives in a pineapple under the Sea?
Absorbent and yellow and porous is he!
If nautical nonsense be something you wish,
Then drop on the deck and flop like a fish!

[Luco]

Savy is still alarmingly quiet. Need to look back at ong / Savy interaction.

[Luco]

remember to use this vote against me regardless of what he turns out to be!

Shut up shut up shut up. This hyper defense is not helping. Bag us a wolf or aroo, but mostly just stop it.

[GatorJH]

I thought for sure the thread would be closed by now. What happened to Rong?

[Hoopy]

I haven't been able to access FTR all day, how about you guys?

[Luco]

And we're back. Hope ftr breaking isn't an omen.

[aubreymcfate]

Who lives in a pineapple under the Sea?
Absorbent and yellow and porous is he!
If nautical nonsense be something you wish,
Then drop on the deck and flop like a fish!

haha, Luco I like you a lot more this game. :P never underestimate the value of nonsensical interludes. especially spongebob ones.

i'm guessing rong will come in asap to close the day since it should have been done a while ago. is daven flips wolf that'll be awesome but if no, we need to seriously consider what the best next step is during this night phase. right now i want to say jyms because he's been fishy and is all too eager to go ahead with the daven lynch. ofc others were eager too, like myself, so he hasn't done anything particularly unique, but his overall behavior is what stands him apart.

it might be worth noting that daven did say that jyms seemed more like a lazy self-interested villager. if daven does flip wolf, this could be an attempt to distance himself from a fellow wolf. i do agree actually agree with the sentiment though, so if daven flips villager, that might be villager cred for jyms.

should go without saying that my above opinions may change after i review the thread in light of the daven outcome.

[rong]

you could always pm rong and ask him and send in conditional kill email.....i.e if i received info that hoopy is wolf shoot hoopy else shoot gabe. rong caused himself this problem by making that the order of operations if he didn't want vig to use lookup result he would have made reseiver act last. there is no other reason for reason to act straight after the angel and before vig and wolves

There's a specific reason I gave the night order of operations.

I specifically want anybody chosen to be a vig to get the shot even if they are to be killed by the wolves.

Likewise, I specifically wanted the receiver to receive the look up before he got shot or wolf killed and this is due to the reviver rule.

No info will be given to any player until all night actions have taken place.

Sorry if that was confusing.

[rong]

Days done, stop posting!

[rong]

Daven had had enough of all the accusations. As the day faded away he decided to sneak away from the gang to do a spot of fishing and think things over. He hadn't been their long when he heard a commotion and turned to see a group of people in the distance heading his way with flaming torches.

When the gang arrived they didn't even take the time to explain what he'd done wrong. They grabbed his fishing rod, cut off some line and tied his wrists and ankles. Daven began to protest but the gang wouldn't listen. They threw him to the ground, doused him in petrol and Wuf lent in with a torch and set him alight.

Daven writhed and wriggled to no avail. He screamed at the top of his lungs protesting his innocence, but nobody attempted to put him out. The gang realised he was innocent toward the end of the burning but by that point it was a kindness to not put out the flames.

Daven, a regular gang member, is dead.

Once again, as the gang left their dead friend and headed back to their hide out, someone sneaked back and cut out the smoldering heart of Daven.

In other news, Pascal, a regular gang member, was found dead lying in a pool of his own blood, wrists cut open leaving wounds like the open mouth of a sea bass. A letter was found, only a few words, "I'll never be as good as wufwufy!".


The livng

Gator
Ong
Wuf
Aubrey
JV
Imsavy
JKDS
Jyms
Bikes
Monkey
hoopy
Keith
Luco
Gabe
The Rilla
NightGizmo


the dead

Day 1: eugmac, a regular gang member, lynched by the village.
Night 1: wolves thwarted by angel
Day 2: Daven, a regular villager, lynched by the village.
Night 2: Pascal, a regular villager, was modkilled.

[rong]

It's night 2. Specials PM me. And don't be waiting for info before you do as you ain't gonna get it.

[rong]

Night will last a maximum of 22 and a bit hours from now, depends when I get back to a computer tomorrow.

[rong]

He looked at the two hearts. He had actually grown quite attached to the first one over the time he'd had it, something about having a man’s heart in his pocket gave him a feeling of power. But he was more interested in having someone he knew he could trust back in the gang so he reluctantly put them both in the envelope and called for a courier.

He filled out the online form and typed in the credit card details of a Mrs Shipley, an 89 year old lady living in Manchester and still receiving her pension and housing benefit in spite of the fact she had been dead for 3 years. He set the card on fire as soon as he had finished, not wanting any connection between him and the witch to remain.

He couldn’t believe he had found someone who could actually bring someone back from the dead and also had their own website. The website stated that as part of the deal the witch would own the previously deceased's soul, but hey, it wasn’t his so he submitted the form and paid the fee, which was huge and included a second heart.

The courier collected the hearts at 10pm that evening and by 8am the next morning, Daven strolled through the door as if nothing had happened. According to the FAQ on the website it was quite common for the revived to not remember the last few minutes of their first lives, which was quite convenient given the circumstances of his death.

Daven has been revived.





The connected gang member was busy tapping away on his computer. He had typed out the message to his Fed connection and was just about to press send when his internet connection cut out. He began the standard procedures associated with a sudden lack of internet and walked over to check the router only to find that the power cable had been severed. It had clearly been done with a knife or pair of scissors as it was a clean cut. So someone had deliberately cut it. (Feds blocked the seer)

He immediately realised the feds must be on to him but it took a moment too long for the penny to drop that they also must still be in his room as the cable had only been cut a few moments ago. Before he even had time to turn, Hoopy felt the sharp knife slice into his windpipe and saw the blood spraying all over the wall in front of him. He gurgled the word “Cunt!” with as much venom as his dying body could muster and promptly fell down and died.

Hoopy, the seer, is dead.




Normally, when the pussykiller blackmailed someone into, as he saw it, adding a little much needed mayhem and disorder to the world, the blackmail was important. However in this case the blackmailed individual was so pleased to find the gun and instructions waiting for him in his room that he didn’t even care about the pictures of him and the goat. He marched straight into Ongbonga’s room to find him high as a kite and more than half asleep, porn on his laptop, bong in one hand and limp dick in the other. He put the silenced pistol in Ong’s mouth and cringed at those British teeth. He fired once and saw the top of Ong’s head replaced by a wet red hole. Pleased with his work, he dropped the gun and returned to his room to check out those goat pics.

Ongbonga, a Fed, is dead.



The livng

Gator
Wuf
Aubrey
JV
Imsavy
JKDS
Jyms
Bikes
Monkey
Keith
Luco
Gabe
The Rilla
NightGizmo
Daven (A regular villager, Revived)

the dead

Day 1: eugmac, a regular gang member, lynched by the village.
Night 1: wolves thwarted by angel
Day 2: Daven, a regular villager, lynched by the village.
Night 2: Pascal, a regular villager, was modkilled.
Night 2: Ongbonga, a Fed, was killed by the Vig.
Night 2: Hoopy, the connected gang member, was killed by the feds.
NIght 2: Daven, was revived.


It's day 3, 15 players left alive, 8 needed to lynch. Day 3 will last approx 48 hrs.


Sorry it took so long. Some people failed to contact me with vital information and due to the site being down yesterday I decided it was better to wait for full instructions rather than just ploughing ahead with the game as I couldn't be sure that everyone had access to the site.

[a500lbgorilla]

The other wolves are Jyms and Jackvance.

[a500lbgorilla]

I had hoopy as one, though. When I saw the death post, I thought he read out as a dead wolf.

[wufwugy]

Thanks for the ballin look ups Hoops. Ong was elite, Gabe was risky but smart

I wasn't going to shoot Gabe BTW. Ong is always the right shot there; I just wanted the wolves to think I was going to shoot Gabe. Even if the vig sent me his bullet to kill Gabe, it would have been Ong

Sorry to Daven. It was only when there were a few hours left in the Day that I went back over the posts for a sixth time or whatever and noticed that Ong wasn't actually afraid of your wagon but was instead just flopping around for no reason. It's unfortunate this wasn't discovered earlier. Ong's style is fantastic whenever he's a wolf because it leaves no trails.

Congrats to Ong on the Gabe bold. That was good stuff, you did trick me. Being a wolf in early game is like stealing candy from a baby, but that was a good move that required some actual play instead of just avoiding and letting the village devour each other

Gabe is gang btw

[wufwugy]

The other wolves are Jyms and Jackvance.

I agree they are both very strong candidates. This is part of why going gangbusters against other villagers (like what happened against Daven and Gabe) can be useful. Jyms has looked bad from the beginning (the only reason I thought he wouldn't be wolf is if Daven is), and the action yesterday made JV look bad as well

[a500lbgorilla]

I'm just going to fire from the hip, but I'm going to say that the last wolf is Keith.

[daven]

I screwed up - we should have lynched pascal yesterday. Hindsight etc.

who was arguing against a lynch pascal yesterday when it was mooted?
who was up to 6 votes yesterday and then had their wagon disintegrate?

need to look closely at bikes
four confirmed villagers now? wuf/jkds/gabe/me
3/11 random chance to hit a wolf
we should be able to do a lot better than that..

seems that either of bikes/jyms would provide us with a lot of info
gator seems not to have posted much that has been noteworthy, except to step in to ensure my lynch yesterday

[a500lbgorilla]

Gator
Wuf
Aubrey
JV
Imsavy
JKDS
Jyms
Bikes
Monkey
Keith
Luco
Gabe
The Rilla
NightGizmo
Daven

Subtracting myself.

Obv v: wuf, jkds, daven

Strong v: NG, Gator, Aubrey

I believe v: ImSavvy, Luco, MM

I'd put in v but it's really hard to defend: gabe, bikes.

Gabe is tough because he doesn't possess an 'honest' voice. Or really, the inverse of that. When he's being leading or deceitful, he's so palms-up, open arms, wide-eyed, exposed neck about it that you have nothing. It's both too easy to clamp down on him and, at the same time, you feel like you're biting down on air. With that said, his post attacking eug screams villager to me. I can't see it any other way. He's taking a clear and penetrating look at eugmac. He's not leading the conclusions, he's reading into the work, and he's doing what I'd expect him to do - push an early hint at weakness to expose a greater one.

My feeling on bikes I can put like this - bikes is a most useless dump. If nothings changed, I have no reason to expect him to change (believing that bingoing a wolf role changes you)

I think the other v reads are easier to make, and I'll get around to them if need be.

The cases against jyms and JV stand on their own though.

[a500lbgorilla]

How did they pick off Hoopy?

[a500lbgorilla]

Thanks for the ballin look ups Hoops. Ong was elite, Gabe was risky but smart

I wasn't going to shoot Gabe BTW. Ong is always the right shot there; I just wanted the wolves to think I was going to shoot Gabe. Even if the vig sent me his bullet to kill Gabe, it would have been Ong

Sorry to Daven. It was only when there were a few hours left in the Day that I went back over the posts for a sixth time or whatever and noticed that Ong wasn't actually afraid of your wagon but was instead just flopping around for no reason. It's unfortunate this wasn't discovered earlier. Ong's style is fantastic whenever he's a wolf because it leaves no trails.

Congrats to Ong on the Gabe bold. That was good stuff, you did trick me. Being a wolf in early game is like stealing candy from a baby, but that was a good move that required some actual play instead of just avoiding and letting the village devour each other

Gabe is gang btw

I kind of skipped over this post. This gang/fed nomenclature doesn't register in my head the same way as wolf/villager. I thought you were pressing for an attack on gabe and I wanted to get my thoughts out about him.

[Savy]

Savy is still alarmingly quiet. Need to look back at ong / Savy interaction.

It's seriously starting to take the piss, when I get this message all day.



Yet for some reason putting www. before it makes it work.

[daven]

if someone out there is the receiver and it isn't wuf then it's time to out
wuf - you said that hoopy got to lookup gabe right?
but the narrative suggests that hoopy died before the lookup (i.e. before he pressed send)

Thanks for the ballin look ups Hoops. Ong was elite, Gabe was risky but smart

Gabe is gang btw

[daven]

The connected gang member was busy tapping away on his computer. He had typed out the message to his Fed connection and was just about to press send when his internet connection cut out.

this is the bit i'm wondering about re the gabe lookup wuf

[wufwugy]

Also day 2 is strangely uneventful, not what I expected after the turmoil of day 1.

But wait, not it's not. By this time it was only like 10 hours deep into the Day and several people had been bolding and stuff. The only people who knew it was "strangely uneventful" were the wolves who knew Ong had been spotted

[wufwugy]

if someone out there is the receiver and it isn't wuf then it's time to out
wuf - you said that hoopy got to lookup gabe right?
but the narrative suggests that hoopy died before the lookup (i.e. before he pressed send)

Yeah wow I just noticed that. I was wondering why I wasn't blocked, and figured I wasn't nom'd because they expected me to mount a campaign against Gabe

Um, I may have accidentally been sent the lookup

[rong]

Ha yeah shit, my bad!

[a500lbgorilla]

this is the bit i'm wondering about re the gabe lookup wuf

It even says (Feds blocked the seer).

[rong]

I may have to compensate the wolves in some way. That was not supposed to be sent.

[Keith]

rilla gabe was a lookup as village. if i was a wolf why would i go through and work out and post the ongoing vote count so that people could work out whether wufs theory worked or not. Why suggest a strategy that possibly identifies two peoples roles for wuf and seer to use.
.

[a500lbgorilla]

rilla gabe was a lookup as village. if i was a wolf why would i go through and work out and post the ongoing vote count so that people could work out whether wufs theory worked or not. Why suggest a strategy that possibly identifies two peoples roles for wuf and seer to use.
.

To what are you referring?

[wufwugy]

I may have to compensate the wolves in some way. That was not supposed to be sent.

Definitely

It's funny, over all the games I've been wondering when this sort of thing would happen. It's really easy to do something like send a PM to the wrong person. Like if a special wants to PM the mod and accidentally thinks JKDS is modding instead of Rong, that sorta thing

[a500lbgorilla]

I already know the answer. 1, thanks for the info that I finally got around to digesting. 2, clerical work is not villager work. Even wolves know they have to appear to be working in village interests and it takes no unique thought to pull numbers together. 3, talking about the design of the game is not getting into the game.

As in, none of those actions are proof positive of anything. You can do them regardless of role.

Now I'll admit I don't know your role. I was really expecting Hoopy to be a wolf. But going over all the stuff I picked out from the thread, I didn't find anything to support your being in my villager pile. That may have been from my not really paying attention to your posts, I dunno. But other than bikes, everyone else had something that said villager to me.

[rong]

Definitely

It's funny, over all the games I've been wondering when this sort of thing would happen. It's really easy to do something like send a PM to the wrong person. Like if a special wants to PM the mod and accidentally thinks JKDS is modding instead of Rong, that sorta thing

I'm really not surprised it's me. In real life I've called two girlfriends the names of previous girlfriends (one of them several times including while in bed), I've called a female friend's new boyfriends by her old boyfriends names and my current partner has a "code red" system whereby I have been trained that if at any time she says (usually shouts) "code red Dan, code red" I am to instantly shut the fuck up, as there have been a few times where I have told inappropriate stories and/or put my foot in it in pretty awkward ways (usually for other people).

[wufwugy]

lol vn

[wufwugy]

lynch jv

super wolf btw. just go look over his post history. he's just playing along and has no actual opinions. in some posts he even points out that he has no opinions. thats him being wolf

[a500lbgorilla]

lynch jyms

Because you can never quite move past your first.

[a500lbgorilla]

Is it seriously between bikes and daven at this point... no votes for ong, and none for Pascal?

OK, well, bikes has posted next to nothing... certainly nothing I have gotten a read off of, so

lynch bikes

I think the greatest help I can be to the village is to say that this game makes no sense to me.

I see shadows in everything. I no longer trust anything I think about this game, since anything that makes sense to a noob is leagues beneath an experienced player. I had Ong as more Vil than wolf... apparently wrong. jyms and JKDS have seemed wolfy from the start, and now the vibe is that they're lock vil's.

So my reads are worthless, and that means my votes are worthless, so do with that what you will. I'll keep doing my best to help, but I must admit that it seems my best is of little-to-no use to anyone except as a distraction.

Just watch Reservoir Dogs and do as they do. It's easy.

[jackvance]

Good to see I'm still suspect whatever I do. But yeah, I've had tons of stuff going on in my life, my head's not really been into the game, sorry about that. Yesterday was a pretty weird day with MMM bolding daven while he said he knew he was a villager. And totally expected wuf to die, but instead they killed hoopy who was the seer.. pretty bizarre. I did put Hoopy in the either-special-or-wolf pile so atleast I was right about that. Gonna reread now.

[bikes]

sweet ftr is back up and i am alive. reading brb.

[Luco]

Welcome back daven and Savy.

Rilla like you I decided overnight that gabe is likely town. We invent these complex theories and levels to explain what we see but so often things are exactly what they look like.

It's what stopped me voting daven and when I found out I was right I looked again at gabe with the same logic and decided he was likely villager.

Go back and look at ong's summary posts and see how often he mentions jyms. On the face of it it looks like he's trying to get jyms lynched to me. Jkds saw it too. What level will you put ong on? I could be wrong but so could you.

I'm going to bed and have had a lot of thoughts about this game. Will share in the morning

[jyms]

Interesting gamble. Good to know gabe is town.

Glad Wuf didn't get the shot either, I'm not sure he would have killed ong and we would be looking at gabe on the wrong end of the gun

[jackvance]

Eh what no opinion? My reads so far have been correct I'm pretty satisfied with them, mostly villager reads though. I didn't notice much about ong though, that's true. I have trouble reading people that act so erratic. But the game is going to fall into place now anyway imo, as the wolves are stuck in a very small camp and we still have specials to out.

[a500lbgorilla]

Welcome back daven and Savy.

Rilla like you I decided overnight that gabe is likely town. We invent these complex theories and levels to explain what we see but so often things are exactly what they look like.

It's what stopped me voting daven and when I found out I was right I looked again at gabe with the same logic and decided he was likely villager.

Go back and look at ong's summary posts and see how often he mentions jyms. On the face of it it looks like he's trying to get jyms lynched to me. Jkds saw it too. What level will you put ong on? I could be wrong but so could you.

I'm going to bed and have had a lot of thoughts about this game. Will share in the morning

I'm not going to read jyms by way of ong. Wuf created a really compelling case against daven by way of ong. And we learned the lesson we usually learn. Your explanation is weighed against every quirky possible explanation, and that usually doesn't give you very good odds.

I'm going to read jyms for jyms. And jyms reads a wolf, time and time again.

[Keith]

I already know the answer. 1, thanks for the info that I finally got around to digesting.

was watching telly and got delayed before posting

2, clerical work is not villager work. Even wolves know they have to appear to be working in village interests and it takes no unique thought to pull numbers together.

rubbish and you know it. it showed wuf theory had some basis , but it will also help when other wolves are found to determine the wolves actions as well and therefore help narrow down other wolves..

3, talking about the design of the game is not getting into the game.

you really do talk out of your arse don't you. there is a difference between talking about the games design and exploiting the games rules in order to benefit the village.

As in, none of those actions are proof positive of anything. You can do them regardless of role.

maybe in isolation , but add them all together and they certainly don't help the wolves and definately help the other villagers.

Now I'll admit I don't know your role. I was really expecting Hoopy to be a wolf. But going over all the stuff I picked out from the thread, I didn't find anything to support your being in my villager pile. That may have been from my not really paying attention to your posts, I dunno.

so you are too lazy to actually look up what i've posted but throw out an accusation anyway.

But other than bikes, everyone else had something that said villager to me.

so why are you a villager? why is savy a villager?


also the reviver is a one shot donkey and thats used up now......he should out himself now before the wolves use it as an out. or if they do ...its a guarnateed dead wolf by killing both.

[jyms]

I'm not sure how the nights events go in order but they may not have killed wuf thinking he would have killed gabe if he got the shot. Good gamble on the Feds part, they got one.

I'm town rilla, you need to see that.

[bikes]

i also still think jyms could be fed >35% of the time just based on all his random I MUST KEEP MESELF ALIVE warble garbles.

[a500lbgorilla]

lol Keith.

[a500lbgorilla]

I'm not sure how the nights events go in order but they may not have killed wuf thinking he would have killed gabe if he got the shot. Good gamble on the Feds part, they got one.

I'm town rilla, you need to see that.

No, you're not, jyms. You know that.

[a500lbgorilla]

lol Keith.

And this lol is saying I'm not going to engage tonight. I got to you saying my very valid point was rubbish and then that I was talking out of my ass and I'm just not going to get my blood up on a sunday evening.

There's plenty of time to lay out all of my bits and pieces.

[bikes]

but then again ongbonga calls jyms out in a few posts which would be unlikely if jyms is a wolf

[a500lbgorilla]

Keith, condense your thoughts please.

When you listen to conservative talk radio in my country, they have this tendency to chop up other peoples audio and constantly slide in their comments to color the listeners opinions. It's a tactic I detest. So please pull your thoughts together and present them in one go.

Why can a wolf not tally the votes?

Why can a wolf not analyze the roles and give villager-positive advice?

The answer is that they can. That's what I was saying. I do not consider these to be bits of evidence in support of your being a villager. I hunt for other info that I've found to be more telling.

You're right on the reviver bit and my not having read your posts (which I admitted and which was why I was asking you to point me to what you were specifically talking about because this thread isn't the easiest thing to navigate).

[jyms]

but then again ongbonga calls jyms out in a few posts which would be unlikely if jyms is a wolf

To be fair, Me and Ong have clashed every game we play, he always thinks I am a wolf and this game he was.