Drug smugglers and Feds gameplay thread

[a500lbgorilla]

Also SAVY, ,not SAVVVVVVVVVVVVVVY.

I have also had a read through the thread (arguably not in the best frame of mind) and I don't really see a huge amount of stuff to comment on, finding it quite hard to keep track of all the little arguments.

JKDS has always seemed to have some random agenda against myself, and I don't really see where it's come from because it appeared before the lack of posting, and he even attempted to suggest that I was a wolf because he had targeted myself and therefore I was a large enough voice in the wolf camp to try and get rid of him for this. Just seems a bit odd.

This is a gong.

I'm confused by this, why does being on a phone mean that you aren't aware of the rules? Surely if you're not paying proper attention and hence weren't aware of the rules then you wouldn't be trying to give "deep" advice to the village attempting to suggest the best action to be taken?

But I dunno about ImSavvy.

[GatorJH]

For me, Gator (he posts so little = hard)

Holy shit, the spotlight just came on. JV has made it a point in the past few games to say he has a "tell" on me so at this point it should have been very simple to call me a villager or fed based on his tell, yet here he sits on the fence.

[GatorJH]

lynch bikes

Meh first things first.

Third time he has jumped on a bikes bandwagon, but it has always been at the expense of other's thoughts. If JV is fed Bikes is clearly villager.

[a500lbgorilla]

i'm about to head out for the evening and won't probably be back until tomorrow afternoon. i'm not a fed/wolf/whateverhgdshalkgjhlas but i'm pretty sure this sun has set so....

when I get lynched these are my reads.

wufwugy is super try harding these games and probably not a fed given the super long winded posts about tl'dr could be summed up so much easier for much less reading.

jyms is doing nothing but constantly posting misdirection this game and probably should not live past mid game.

GATOR IS PLAYING THIS GAME?

i never know what level gabe is on, all i know is that every training video i've ever seen him in describes him as being one step ahead and i can confirm this after playing live with him in vegas. gabe is either super valuable to the village or super detrimental. he should def die by day 3 but not day 1 because no one can work magic on day 1 and it's a waste of a super valuable villager if you miss that 1/5 chance he's a wolf on day 1. if gabe is indeed a fed i would literally disregard every post he's made.

i dunno wtf daven is doing this game, he could easily be a wolf or a trying to appear like a wolfy villager like i do every game so i can make it to midgame- late game. which is a super op strat. farm information and wreck people late.

people say ong is a wolf and who am i to argue

nightgizmo is calling people out for posting no content yet posting little himself so use that info fwiw.

keith no idea

rilla is probably town but i cant be certain

pascal still mia

aubery is still new at this game so i cant tell if she's just confused in general but i think shes probably town a majority of the time as well.

no idea on imsavy either. no phone+ no internet sounds horrible if true.

no idea on anyone else i forgot either.

I think this is as best as you can ever expect from bikes.

[GatorJH]

Done with the review and there is enough there for me to go with a lynch jv.

If he flips villager I might have to take a pretty hard look at rilla though.

[Keith]

I have a big problem with the fact that rilla has "found" the posts and reasoning for the wolves targetting Hoopy . The wolves know why he was targetted so posting the incriminating posts and reasoning certainly doesn't give you any villager points.

Also , pointing out that Luco seems to be making lots of good quality posts and is a villager....WTF ..... he has outed as the reviver and there has been no counterclaim.That is a totally meaningless post aimed at either sucking up to one of the knowns or attempting to prove you are a villager by analysing peoples roles when all you have done is reiterate what we already know.

[a500lbgorilla]

Shrug.

[JKDS]

ya ok

lynch jackvance

I think mmm is very likely also a wolf. Maybe the last is bikes or aubrey or something. Its nice having a billion confirmed villagers though.

[JKDS]

For the record, I am extremely happy with a JV lynch. As confirmed villager numero uno, I demand we lynch JV.

[jyms]

Rescind Rilla

I can go with Lynch JV

[wufwugy]

ya ok

lynch jackvance

I think mmm is very likely also a wolf. Maybe the last is bikes or aubrey or something. Its nice having a billion confirmed villagers though.

If it's JV it ain't Bikes. In order for them to both be wolves they'd have to be pulling off the whackest level. JV has been on Bikes' wagon at times when he's near death, Bikes has been near death twice, and JV is currently the counterwagon to Bikes

[JKDS]

Im not giving this game the proper amount of attention. Whatever. Lets just kill the vance!

[NightGizmo]

For the record, I am extremely happy with a JV lynch. As confirmed villager numero uno, I demand we lynch JV.

For the record, you're not a 100% confirmed villager. I'd say that you're about 95% confirmed. There is still a small chance that you're trying to pull a massive level and that the real angel is still hidden and has more blocks.

[JKDS]

Of all the posts to talk about, Im very curious why that one sparked your interest. One Hundred and Four posts since your last one at #884, and the only thing you thought was interesting was that?

Fuck, you're the last wolf arent you? This smells like you're lurking through this JV discussion because hes a wolf and you dont want to push away or towards him.

[NightGizmo]

I just read through JV's posts and I have to agree with Rilla's analysis. I was wolf with JV a few games ago and we both had the same problem, that it was hard to keep our post counts up without coming across as wolfy. Reading through his posts, none of them provide any evidence (ie, he's not going back and re-reading any posts by anyone), he seems to be purposely avoiding making any definitive decisions (rilla pointed out all the "it might be this, but on the other hand it might not..."), and I don't get the feeling that he's doing any real wolf hunting.

And wuf's point is right, I noticed the same thing when I read through the posts. I don't see how bikes and JV could be wolves together. And given how quickly bikes' wagon took off today, I'm less convinced that he's a wolf, although I still wish he was more villagery to help prove that point.

For extra homework, I'm going to skim JV's posts from a different game to see if his style is significantly different as a known villager. Back in a bit.

[NightGizmo]

Of all the posts to talk about, Im very curious why that one sparked your interest. One Hundred and Four posts since your last one at #884, and the only thing you thought was interesting was that?

Fuck, you're the last wolf arent you? This smells like you're lurking through this JV discussion because hes a wolf and you dont want to push away or towards him.

Ha, no -- I spent half an hour reading the last 100+ posts, then went and read through the JV posts, then saw your post after I refreshed before typing up the one above. I thought it was worth mentioning. I still feel the sting from your "wufinator" stunt.

[JKDS]

Theory killed, no way you typed that in 1min. Carry on >.>

[NightGizmo]

As a villager, it doesn't look like JV often uses direct quotes as evidence, so I'll remove that bit from my list. But as a villager, he is more definitive about his opinions and reads. I didn't see any of the wishy-washy comments when he was a villager. For extra-extra homework, I looked at his posts when we were a wolf together, and he was doing a lot of fence-sitting there, too. I feel pretty good about this one -- I'm going to check the vote count. I don't want to end the day accidentally with so many hours left.

[aubreymcfate]

if i had to name the one player i find the hardest to read, generally speaking, it would be jv. i was so off about him during my first game that i've since backed off a bit, waiting to see if i'd figure him out. i still find him to be elusive as fuck, but a bit less so now, thanks to Rilla's posts about how to spot people whose head is in the game and outside of the game, as well as what everyone else had to say.

lynch bikes

I'll have to be going after people that try to hide behind the skirts of others, because that's such an easy way to shift responsibility. I saw Hoopy and Gator do it too. But bikes stands out atm because I don't really know how he plays and I'm suspicious because he showed up late and said he forgot. I mean he got a PM about the game no?

Also day 2 is strangely uneventful, not what I expected after the turmoil of day 1.

Rilla, you're right, my analyses do consist of "if this, then that," but it's because it's hard for me to not see the other side of the coin with every possibility (especially when I am still a noob - this is my third game ever and I had no idea what this even was beforehand, so make of that what you will). So take the above quote for example. If bikes is a wolf with JV, it means that JV lynched and specifically attacked him for something that could easily be forgotten as the game goes on, as long as bikes remains active. So you could see the strategy behind that, something like "ok, bikes will pretend to be late, we all have real lives so no one will harp on it for long, meanwhile I can use it to go after you and distance myself."

However, as we saw, bikes wasn't exactly active after that, so... There's that. Plus, jv attacked him there for basically sliding by, which is a criticism that's been leveled at bikes this whole game. wolves make weak accusations that will fade in the background, not strong ones that have the potential to shift the village.

And if bikes is a villager (and if JV is a wolf), it means JV went after the most obvious offense bikes made.. But that's not really telling for JV either because I'm pretty sure others called bikes out on it too, and when you're that early in the game you're going to acknowledge any obvious warning signs, even if they are likely to be genuine mistakes or sloppy pays. So if JV is a wolf and bikes is not, then that was a decent play by JV and doesn't require any further inspection.

So from that I conclude that, if JV is a wolf, it's most likely that bikes is a villager, because if they are both wolves, i doubt bikes would be playing like he is while having fellow wolves attack him for the same thing the village is attacking him for.

rescind bikes

lynch jv

More reviewing of the thread to come... but just one more question...

Keith, I haven't put out any thoughts on it because I have no thoughts on it. I'm not going to squeeze myself through your hole for your pleasure.

Did you read that after you typed it?

[NightGizmo]

There are 6 votes on JV. I'm going to hold off voting for him right now, so we aren't one vote away from ending the day. I currently have the vote count at:

JV - 6 (gabe, gator, jkds, jyms, rilla, wuf)
bikes - 3 (aubrey, jv, savy)
jyms - 1 (daven)
rilla - 1 (monkey)

[NightGizmo]

aubrey's latest post makes it 7 for JV, btw. One more vote and the day is over. I'm not putting the nail in the coffin when we have so much time left today. Ending the day early only helps the wolves.

[NightGizmo]

Did you read that after you typed it?

LOL!

[aubreymcfate]

oh yeah, I don't want to end the day early.

rescind jv

just in case some noob strolls in and fucks our shit up.

[wufwugy]

I think Aubrey and JV are wolves together

[JKDS]

YOU SEE IT TOO? That post was just so off!

[wufwugy]

I think JV told her to throw him under the bus

[wufwugy]

Also on Day 2, before Ong posted and before I outed, Aubrey picked up 3-4 bolds, and JV started the Bikes wagon and also claimed "nothing was happening"

[wufwugy]

I meant that JV started Bikes wagon AFTER Aubrey picked up some votes

DONT WORRY I WONT EDIT MY POSTS

[wufwugy]

Notice that she also went straight for JV. No comments about other stuff, just right for the jugular

[aubreymcfate]

but when i jumped to the bikes wagon when everyone thought he was wolfy, that wasn't wolfbikes telling me to throw him under the bus?

i've made it very clear that i find jv hard to read - that's not something i just made up on the spot. i had an especially hard time reading him during my first game.

i read through the reasoning for JV, and it made a lot of sense. i could paraphrase why but that's just redundancy. i'm not taking a college class, i'm playing a game. i don't need to show my work when it's unnecessary. i'm placing trust in the stronger villagers, going on the bandwagon, and trying to draw further analysis (in this case, what JV being wolf means for bikes) so that i'm not a completely useless echo.

why am I somehow the only one you accuse of being told to throw JV under the bus? why not gator, or jyms?

if it's because i was later than them, it's because i had a yoga class this evening and got home a bit later than usual.

[daven]

but when i jumped to the bikes wagon when everyone thought he was wolfy, that wasn't wolfbikes telling me to throw him under the bus?

i've made it very clear that i find jv hard to read - that's not something i just made up on the spot. i had an especially hard time reading him during my first game.

i read through the reasoning for JV, and it made a lot of sense. i could paraphrase why but that's just redundancy. i'm not taking a college class, i'm playing a game. i don't need to show my work when it's unnecessary. i'm placing trust in the stronger villagers, going on the bandwagon, and trying to draw further analysis (in this case, what JV being wolf means for bikes) so that i'm not a completely useless echo.

why am I somehow the only one you accuse of being told to throw JV under the bus? why not gator, or jyms?

if it's because i was later than them, it's because i had a yoga class this evening and got home a bit later than usual.

come lynch jyms with me then
or rilla

[daven]

aubrey, if jv is wolf then who are the last two if not you and x?

[JKDS]

Wow, that was like 3 different wolf tells all at the same time!

[daven]

Wow, that was like 3 different wolf tells all at the same time!

yep, but don't lynch me!

[JKDS]

Not you, silly.

[aubreymcfate]

I honestly cannot answer that with any significant level of certainty. But let me list who wouldn't surprise me, if JV is a wolf: Gator (has been kind of quiet, not really directing the village which is odd for a strong player), Jyms (well this would surprise me a bit, but just a bit - again, I never denied he's acting really fishy).

less so, Rilla (seems capable enough to be this wolfy and this assertive).

imsavy and MMM just seem way too villager "wtf is going on" to me, which is something I can detect easily 'cause that was pretty much me not too long ago (and still am, to a certain extent).

You know what though, I haven't been paying close enough attention to them. Let me go back through and if I find anything I'll post it here asap.

Keith is playing exactly as I remember him, and he was a villager last time.

I would happily lynch jyms or rilla. I did rescind my jv vote. What's the compelling evidence though? I highly doubt I could spot any wolf tells in Rilla if he is a wolf, so you'd need to help me out there. With Jyms, I'd need a bit of convincing that there's some method to the madness.

right now JV just seems to make the most sense to me. plus, not one, not two, but three confirmed villagers, all very strong players, find him wolfy.

this was rong's vote count yesterday:

Bikes: 6 (Gator, Wuf, Aubrey, JV, Imsavy, MMM)
Rilla: 2 (Jyms, Keith)
Jyms: 2 (Rilla, Daven)
Keith: 1 (Gabe)

Approx 23 hrs left of day 3.


Obviously there are wolves on the Bikes wagon. There's at least one wolf out of: Gator, Imsavy, and MMM.

makes sense, if jyms is a wolf, to isolate himself on Rilla's wagon. Makes sense too, since Rilla went hard for Jyms.

[JKDS]

How on earth can rilla or gator be wolves if JV is? Theyve lead practically the entire charge! You've even stated you used Rilla and Gator's reasoning to justify lynching JV...

[aubreymcfate]

"less so, Rilla (seems capable enough to be this wolfy and this assertive)."

lol I phrased that weird. I meant it makes sense that he's this assertive as a wolf 'cause I think he's capable. I don't think he's overtly wolfy by any means, but I do think I'd be easily fooled by him.

[JKDS]

aubrey, if jv is wolf then who are the last two if not you and x?

But let me list who wouldn't surprise me, if JV is a wolf: Gator (blah blah), Jyms (blah blah).

less so, Rilla (blah blah).

No, you clearly said if JV is a wolf, then Gator, Jyms, and Rilla are your next most likely wolves. Even if you didnt, how can you think Gator is wolfy if JV flips wolf?

[aubreymcfate]

How on earth can rilla or gator be wolves if JV is? Theyve lead practically the entire charge! You've even stated you used Rilla and Gator's reasoning to justify lynching JV...

I don't really think Rilla is a wolf but I said I wouldn't be surprised precisely because I think he's capable. and I've never been a wolf, I have no idea how fancy or intricate their plans can get. Imagine you were only ever a villager - how could you possibly be as discerning about that sort of thing?

And while I did read through the whole thing it was mostly Rilla that jumped out at me, particularly his commentary on being in the game rather than outside of the game. In my "lynch jv" post I made particular note of that.

Also, who really started going hard after JV. Rilla, or Gator? Who really led that? Rilla hands down had the strongest arguments, and he was the first to actually come down hard starting around post 948, if not earlier.

[aubreymcfate]

I did not clearly state that they were my most likely wolves if JV flipped wolf. I said I can't answer with certainty BUT here's who I wouldn't be surprised about. Don't twist my words.

[JKDS]

Ok. Then you dodged his question, and Im left wondering why.

[aubreymcfate]

Give me a bit to go through the thread and I'll give a more direct answer.

[daven]

aubrey, if jv is wolf then who are the last two if not you and x?

then

I honestly cannot answer that with any significant level of certainty. But let me list who wouldn't surprise me, if JV is a wolf: Gator (has been kind of quiet, not really directing the village which is odd for a strong player), Jyms (well this would surprise me a bit, but just a bit - again, I never denied he's acting really fishy).

less so, Rilla (seems capable enough to be this wolfy and this assertive).

imsavy and MMM just seem way too villager "wtf is going on" to me, which is something I can detect easily 'cause that was pretty much me not too long ago (and still am, to a certain extent).

You know what though, I haven't been paying close enough attention to them. Let me go back through and if I find anything I'll post it here asap.

Keith is playing exactly as I remember him, and he was a villager last time.
.

just sayin'
bold added for emphasis obv

[aubreymcfate]

i went through the thread hard for a while and i'm going to say that if jv is wolf, then nightgizmo is very likely the third wolf, and imsavy is possibly the fourth. yes, i know i called him "lock villager" in the beginning - i really thought i had a good villager read on him. but now that the pool is smaller, i have to scrutinize more.

i'm exhausted and it would take me forever to assemble these notes into something coherent right now.

if i don't get to it in time i'll post them when the next day starts.

[wufwugy]

i guess that means savy is the 3rd wolf after all

[JKDS]

That reads to me like "I need to consult my absent wolf buddies" more than sincere exhaustion. Ill be honest, the end of page 20 and the start of this one were just me pressuring aubrey to see what would happen. If shes a wolf, its her first wolf game and it would be her first time really under serious fire, hence pressure could easily incite mistakes.

I think it did incite mistakes. I think her response to being under pressure screams wolf (in all sincerity), so if JV flips wolf then shes next.

---

Further, I think JVs absence during this time is incriminating in addition to Rilla + Gator's attack. He wolfin, aubrey wolfin. Just 1 more to find.

[Luco]

So I got a day 1 hunch right?

Shoop da woop!

[Luco]

I feel bad for MMM and savy. This game got 'serious' quite quickly and I imagine it would be taxing for a debutant regardless of their team.

I wanna lynch JV as he's a wolf here so often, but I think probably either of our new players would be grateful for the release that comes with about 8 foot of rope.

[Luco]

Also, who really started going hard after JV. Rilla, or Gator? Who really led that? Rilla hands down had the strongest arguments, and he was the first to actually come down hard starting around post 948, if not earlier.

This is a good point.

[Luco]

So I was at a friends house the other day and one of his friends had a t-shirt on that said:

ANGB - it's bang out of order

It took me 45 minutes to get the joke.

Also, I've heard that joke before.

So much fail.

[Luco]

Aubrey doesn't use a lot of question marks. Obvious villager.

[Luco]

Oh and I still can't shake the feeling that both jyms and rilla are town and distracting us all from the truth.

[JKDS]

You have no idea how much I hate you right now. You damn foreigners and yer foreign phrases.

[Luco]

[ong] [jv] [jyms] [savy]

[Keith]

lost this the first time i was doing it so retyping from memory

There are 6 votes on JV. I'm going to hold off voting for him right now, so we aren't one vote away from ending the day. I currently have the vote count at:

JV - 6 (gabe, gator, jkds, jyms, rilla, wuf)
bikes - 3 (aubrey, jv, savy)
jyms - 1 (daven)
rilla - 1 (monkey)

aubrey's latest post makes it 7 for JV, btw. One more vote and the day is over. I'm not putting the nail in the coffin when we have so much time left today. Ending the day early only helps the wolves.

gizmo and aubrey posted about a minute apart, can't see them posting opposite views that close together if they are both wolves. ALso , why would a wolf gizmo try and hold this wagon up. wolves probably have 2 kills tonight they'd love to get the day over and use their kills especially if JV has been thrown under the bus. Wolf Gizmo could have hopped on the wagon and hoped others didn't realise that the next bold would be a kill vote.

oh yeah, I don't want to end the day early.

rescind jv

just in case some noob strolls in and fucks our shit up.

Why is Aubrey worried about a noob coming in and "fucking our shit up". Surely she should be worried that a wolf could bold JV and end the day. does she know the wolves are already on this wagon and can't finish it off, and she can only know that bty being a wolf.

but when i jumped to the bikes wagon when everyone thought he was wolfy, that wasn't wolfbikes telling me to throw him under the bus?

i've made it very clear that i find jv hard to read - that's not something i just made up on the spot. i had an especially hard time reading him during my first game.

i read through the reasoning for JV, and it made a lot of sense. i could paraphrase why but that's just redundancy. i'm not taking a college class, i'm playing a game. i don't need to show my work when it's unnecessary. i'm placing trust in the stronger villagers, going on the bandwagon, and trying to draw further analysis (in this case, what JV being wolf means for bikes) so that i'm not a completely useless echo.

why am I somehow the only one you accuse of being told to throw JV under the bus? why not gator, or jyms?

if it's because i was later than them, it's because i had a yoga class this evening and got home a bit later than usual.

SUrely you should be placing trust in the known villagers , not unknowns trying to shape the villagers thoughts. Wolves are quite happy to follow others arguments as it draws less attention to themselves.
Interesting that you avoid rilla in the bit where you talk about being told to throw someone under the bus.

I don't really think Rilla is a wolf but I said I wouldn't be surprised precisely because I think he's capable. and I've never been a wolf, I have no idea how fancy or intricate their plans can get. Imagine you were only ever a villager - how could you possibly be as discerning about that sort of thing?

And while I did read through the whole thing it was mostly Rilla that jumped out at me, particularly his commentary on being in the game rather than outside of the game. In my "lynch jv" post I made particular note of that.

Also, who really started going hard after JV. Rilla, or Gator? Who really led that? Rilla hands down had the strongest arguments, and he was the first to actually come down hard starting around post 948, if not earlier.

Are you honestly claiming that you haven't read the last couple of wolf threads when they have been revealed at the end of the game? If you have you would have plenty of insight into how the wolves work without having been one.

Also, interesting how you want to know who went after JV first. rong posted the night results and 7 minutes later rilla came in with 2 definate wolves and said that the cases against them stand on their on merits....but then didn't make the cases against them at all.He was more interested at then pointing the finger at me . Also he then went on to say that he misread the hoopy result. Then he questioned how the wolves found him. really?? was this a subtle piece of misdirection trying to get us to think that he didn't think hoopy could have been seer and that he thought he was a fed so that rilla couldn't be a fed.

Gator then seemed to be the one that restarted the JV wagon and posted quite a long accusatory post against him. maybe this is the time that the wolves decided to throw JV under the wagon and gain some villager credit and rilla came in and helped develop the evidence against JV. I'd shown how they were screwed mathematically and the wolves desperately needed some village cover. Its much easier to target a fellow wolf as you know the reasons for their posts already.

The thing that i find fascinating is that #871 rong posts the compensation that the wolves are going to get an extra wolf kill tonight to balance up the villagers gabe lookup. 1 minute later rilla is posting to help develop the case against JV. I wouldn't be surprised if rong had posted his intended actions in the wolf thread and this caused the wolves to ask for a bit of time before he posted it into the thread . then they decided to throw JV under the bus and gain villager cred as the extra kill suddenly gave them a chance at a win.Rilla may have been intending to get his post out before rong posted but the change in tack from rilla 1 minute after rong posted seems to be really suspicious timing.rilla could easily have done a refresh , seen no rong post and hit submit and then found out that his post came after rongs.

i went through the thread hard for a while and i'm going to say that if jv is wolf, then nightgizmo is very likely the third wolf, and imsavy is possibly the fourth. yes, i know i called him "lock villager" in the beginning - i really thought i had a good villager read on him. but now that the pool is smaller, i have to scrutinize more.

i'm exhausted and it would take me forever to assemble these notes into something coherent right now.

if i don't get to it in time i'll post them when the next day starts.

I just don't see gizmo as a wolf ,partly for the reasons i gave above and partly for the day 1 posts where he tried to stop any discussion about JKDS being able to have any more saves. I was extremely carefully about the way i phrased one of my posts to say that JKDS had confirmed he only had a 1 shot save as i didn't know whether he had said that as a misdirection to confuse the wolves. A wolf wouldn't want to stop any discussion about it but it stuck in my mind at that time that he was a likely villager.

[Luco]

I picked bikes at that time because Daven was on Wuf, if I pick daven he bolds me and I am at 6. We all know you need more than one wagon to split votes and get people taking sides. I am not winning vs daven their and I am going home. I needed another wagon to start. bikes was lacking posts, we still had a pascal lynch to consider too. Going head to head would be all kinds of stupid.

I could never be this clever in the heat of battle. I'd be too busy shitting my pants and yelling at people to think tactically about vote switching.

[jackvance]

Hm I didn't expect to still be alive. It's kinda cute you guys are so convinced I'm a wolf when I'm not. Now that I have renewed energy after a good night's sleep, give me approx. 2 hours and I'll provide a mammoth post refuting everything I have been accused of in such a trivially logical and internally consistent way that you will guys will have to conclude without a shadow of a doubt that I a villager.

[rong]

Vote count update

Jv - 6 (wuf, rilla, gabe, gator, JKDS, jyms)
Bikes - 3 (jv, Savy, MMM)
Rilla - 1 (keith)
Jyms - 1 (daven)

Someone might wanna check that as I did it on my phone.


Approx 8 or 9 hrs left of day 3, depends what I'm doing tonight.

[jackvance]

I apologize in advance should the post that I am preparing atm break the forum.

[Luco]

confirmed villagers need to consolidate today. 5 votes in unison imo.

[jyms]

I will say I withdraw my thoughts that rilla was acting different and that he looked far more his usual self in the JV hunt. If JV turns up wolf I'm all for giving him confirmed villager cred

[jyms]

Oh and I still can't shake the feeling that both jyms and rilla are town and distracting us all from the truth.

[ong] [jv] [jyms] [savy]

Uhm what???

[aubreymcfate]

That reads to me like "I need to consult my absent wolf buddies" more than sincere exhaustion.

This actually pisses me off a little because I stayed up later than I wanted to reading the thread and am dead now as a result (I just woke up). Check the timestamp and remember I live in NY and you'll see it was past 1 am.

Surely you should be placing trust in the known villagers , not unknowns trying to shape the villagers thoughts.

Keith, I literally just said this last night: "right now JV just seems to make the most sense to me. plus, not one, not two, but three confirmed villagers, all very strong players, find him wolfy. "

I'm going to review the rest of your huge post once I get to work but it's going to be exhausting to correct if you can't read my posts accurately.

[Luco]

Uhm what???

Yeah I know. I knew you'd point it out too.

Time is running out and I still can't work out if one of you is a wolf. So I reckon neither of you would be a good pick today.

[jyms]

Keith, I literally just said this last night: "right now JV just seems to make the most sense to me. plus, not one, not two, but three confirmed villagers, all very strong players, find him wolfy. "

This is counter intuitive then to you pulling your vote off of JV, and FWIW it won't matter what you do now, if JV is a wolf I don't see how you aren't our next immediate lynch.

[jyms]

Yeah I know. I knew you'd point it out too.

Time is running out and I still can't work out if one of you is a wolf. So I reckon neither of you would be a good pick today.

Are you following the thread at all? Neither would be a good pick today, the rilla/jyms train has left until further notice.

It's a waste of time and effort looking at it until this day ends and we see where the night gets us.

[aubreymcfate]

This is counter intuitive then to you pulling your vote off of JV, and FWIW it won't matter what you do now, if JV is a wolf I don't see how you aren't our next immediate lynch.

How is that counterintuitive? I only pulled it off so we would have a longer day. I was clearly going to lynch him again once it was confirmed beyond a doubt that that's where we were headed. I saw that nightgizmo said we could use a longer day (I didn't think of him as wolfy then but now that I think about it, maybe I fell into a trap) and decided he made a good point. I just sort of assumed longer days = better for village.

[Keith]

Keith, I literally just said this last night: "right now JV just seems to make the most sense to me. plus, not one, not two, but three confirmed villagers, all very strong players, find him wolfy. "

I'm going to review the rest of your huge post once I get to work but it's going to be exhausting to correct if you can't read my posts accurately.

my problem with that is that when you actually lynched JV the only persons posts you referred to were rilla's helping you to see clearly ...or words along that line. The fact that the confirmed villagers were also voting JV was a happy coincidence. If they had been the reason for you voting JV you would have said something along the lines of "the knowns want JV dead so i'll vote with them."

[Luco]

Are you following the thread at all? Neither would be a good pick today, the rilla/jyms train has left until further notice.

It's a waste of time and effort looking at it until this day ends and we see where the night gets us.

I'm following intently. I'm pretty sure Ong is a wolf btw

[jyms]

Then put your vote on JV so we can figure out the next step

[Luco]

Then put your vote on JV so we can figure out the next step

Nope, making popcorn right now:

Hm I didn't expect to still be alive. It's kinda cute you guys are so convinced I'm a wolf when I'm not. Now that I have renewed energy after a good night's sleep, give me approx. 2 hours and I'll provide a mammoth post refuting everything I have been accused of in such a trivially logical and internally consistent way that you will guys will have to conclude without a shadow of a doubt that I a villager.

[Luco]

Anyway doesn't he need two more votes to die?

[jackvance]

It's good I fooled atleast one person into thinking I was actually going to be posting some more.

[Luco]

It's good I fooled atleast one person into thinking I was actually going to be posting some more.

LOL