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    Quote Originally Posted by a500lbgorilla View Post
    I don't have fun as a wolf either.

    lynch MMM
    I think, for me, it might be the opposite. It is quite frustrating to me to be called a liar when I'm being sincere. I don't mind it at all when I'm being disingenuous.

    I'm really done with this game. Sorry. I keep trying to hang on, but I've gone from disenchanted to disinterested. The notion of re-reading this thread another time makes me want to go socialize with people, or get some exercise or something. I don't need that crap!

    Useless vil or the wolf you want to see: either way, it's time.

    lynch MMM

    I'll check back again before the day is done and answer any questions directed to me. I'll try to be whatever help I can, but this game ... *sigh* ... not for me.
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    It's all good MMM, this game ain't for everyone.
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    Day 4 is over. No more posting.

    MMM is modkilled for the self lynch.
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    OH fuck, really??!?

    can I rescind MMM?

    It was not my intention to end the day.
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    Afraid not. If for no other reason than your role becomes transparent after the self lynch the day has to end.
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    Send the hate mail on in, then. I'm terribly sorry for that. It was impulsive and I didn't think there would be any implications other than lol - monkey is a wuss.

    @ Aubrey - That "sick read" on NightGizmo, for right or wrong, was all me. I was flattered by your assessment of by ability on that post, so thanks.

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    MMM seemed to be feeling the pressure more than most. He wasn't cut out for detective work and he certainly hadn't planned to be involved with all this death. The murder of gabe pushed him over the edge. He took some valium, walked out to the barn, secured a rope around and a beam and climbed on a stool and stuck his head through it.

    The gang found him hanging there with a note in his pocket, apologizing for making them clean up this mess.


    MMM a regular gang member, is dead.

    It's night 4. You all know what to do.

    The livng

    Gator
    Wuf
    Aubrey
    Imsavy
    JKDS
    Jyms
    Bikes
    Keith
    Luco
    The Rilla
    NightGizmo
    Daven (A regular villager, Revived)


    the dead

    Day 1: eugmac, a regular gang member, lynched by the village.
    Night 1: wolves thwarted by angel
    Day 2: Daven, a regular villager, lynched by the village.
    Night 2: Pascal, a regular villager, was modkilled.
    Night 2: Ongbonga, a Fed, was killed by the Vig.
    Night 2: Hoopy, the connected gang member, was killed by the feds.
    NIght 2: Daven, was revived.
    Day 3: JV, a Fed, was lynched by the village.
    Night 3: Gabe, a regular village, was killed by the Feds.

    Night 3: wolves Vig shot thwarted by angel
    Day 4: MMM, a regular gang member, was modkilled for self lynching.
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    The Pussy killer was feeling the urge to kill again. It was similar in many respects to hunger. Something innate that couldn't be denied.

    He chose his next pawn with about as much thought as a normal person would give to the decision of what to eat for dinner. He didn't care who it was and everyone had skeletons hidden away in a closet.

    This time it involved sex with a minor. She's 17, he's in his early 20s. It was enough to get his ass pounded for a few years which meant more than enough leverage.

    When he saw the note slide under his bedroom door he initially thought it could be some kind of trap to catch a fed. Once he'd read it he wished it was.

    He gave it some thought and picked the easiest option he could think of.

    He watched his victim leave the hide out and head off for a run. To get in the right head space he put some biggie on his ipod and jumped on his Harley to hunt his man down.

    (....what ya think all the guns is for?
    All purpose war, got the rottweilers' by the door.....)

    His victim was oblivious to the Harley as it approached him as he was listening to Justin beiber as loud as he could take it.

    (.... and I feed em gun powder
    So they can devour,
    The criminals, tryna drop my decimals.....)

    The first bullet went in his back and lodged itself amongst his ribs.

    (.... betcha biggie won't slip,
    I got the calicos with the black talons loaded in the clip,
    so I can rip through the ligaments,
    Put the fuckers in a bad predicament.....)

    The second was from point blank range and straight through his heart. As the killer accelerated away, vultures began eyeing up their latest feast.

    (.... I bring pain, blood stains on what remains,
    Of his jacket, he had a gun he shudda packed it.....)

    In spite of the horror of what he'd done for no reason other than to save himself, he couldn't deny the music accompanying it had left him feeling like a bad ass! He parked up by some boulders and rolled a giant spliff.

    (.... feel the rush, scandalous, the more weed smoke I puff, the more dangerous....)

    NightGizmo, a regular gang member, is dead.




    Meanwhile the feds were feeling quite optimistic. The suicide of MMM meant one less body to deal with and they plotted their next move.

    Daven was a thorn in their side. He'd already died once and it was quite the inconvenience to have to kill him again. They waited until he went out early the next morning for his regular climb. He was about 60 feet up when he saw them approaching. He had never been bothered before whilst climbing and nothing about their approach gave him much hope.

    They sat on the hood of their car and pulled out their pistols. The range was too far for accuracy but they were in no rush. They poured some coffee from a flask, chatting to eachother and making a bet over who'd get him. The wager agreed, they took turns to take a shot at him.

    Daven realised that it was just a matter of time if he stayed up there. He couldn't go down so instead abandoned his safety gear and attempted to climb the last 30 feet as quick as he could, knowing that if he could just reach the plato at the top he'd be out of the line of fire.

    He practically ran up the first 10 feet without any problems but the smooth surface he now approached was going to be tricky. He started desperately chipping away at the rock in an attempt to find some grip. His hands were bleeding but the adrenaline meant he barely noticed.

    A bullet pierced the rock just above him and he recognised the opportunity and leapt for it. He dug his fingers in hard and managed to secure a grip just as a bullet buried itself in his left calf. The feds high fived and laughed below.

    All hope drained out of daven as he desperately tried to cling to the wall while blood trickled down his leg. He looked down as the feds walked toward the bottom of the rock, calling up and heckeling him.

    He had no strength left. He contemplated his death and felt satisfied with the life he had lived. He took a deep breath and pushed hard off the wall, hoping to land on a fed and take him out. He missed by about 6 feet but felt some satisfaction as his blood splattered on the nearest fed. Then he realised he was still alive and in agony and suddenly he didn't feel so cocky. His back was broke and he wasn't going anywhere.

    The feds left him lying on the floor, let him suffer. He'd be dead in no time. In fact, he was dead before they'd even returned to the hang out.

    Daven, a regular gang member, is once again dead.








    It's day 5.10 players left, 6 to lynch.

    The livng

    Gator
    Wuf
    Aubrey
    Imsavy
    JKDS
    Jyms
    Bikes
    Keith
    Luco
    The Rilla


    the dead

    Day 1: eugmac, a regular gang member, lynched by the village.
    Night 1: wolves thwarted by angel
    Day 2: Daven, a regular villager, lynched by the village.
    Night 2: Pascal, a regular villager, was modkilled.
    Night 2: Ongbonga, a Fed, was killed by the Vig.
    Night 2: Hoopy, the connected gang member, was killed by the feds.
    NIght 2: Daven, was revived.
    Day 3: JV, a Fed, was lynched by the village.
    Night 3: Gabe, a regular village, was killed by the Feds.
    Night 3: wolves Vig shot thwarted by angel
    Day 4: MMM, a regular gang member, was modkilled for self lynching.
    Night 4: NightGizmo, a regular gang member, was killed by the Vig.
    Night 4: daven, a regular gang member, was killed by the feds.
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    Hmm... None of these moves are things I would have done. Not as a gang or fed. I'm just wondering now what level we need to be thinking on.
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    Do you think level 0?
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    Why do you open every day sounding wolfy jyms?

    Day1:
    Quote Originally Posted by jyms View Post
    In, lynch RongMotherfuckers killed us two games in a row.
    Day 2 (just after feds got the ong bombshell):
    Quote Originally Posted by jyms View Post
    Wow night, very interesting turn of events. We rarely see some kind of specials situation on night one. It will make for some interesting congectuer by the village. I don't think anyone should outthemselves just yet until we have an idea of what it can or can't do. I guess only the angel needs to out if he infact protected himself since only then does the village not know who he is.
    Day 3:
    Quote Originally Posted by jyms View Post
    Interesting gamble. Good to know gabe is town.

    Glad Wuf didn't get the shot either, I'm not sure he would have killed ong and we would be looking at gabe on the wrong end of the gun
    Day 4:
    Quote Originally Posted by jyms View Post
    That was a long break, along with the saturday from hell so I am going to have to do another read through. Early game is a blur at the moment, and I actually haven't taken any notes either.
    Day 5:
    Quote Originally Posted by jyms View Post
    Hmm... None of these moves are things I would have done. Not as a gang or fed. I'm just wondering now what level we need to be thinking on.
    It's like every damn day you're scratching for something to say. And that's literally just the very first post of each day, the second and third are rarely better. You're not even trying to get yourself confirmed.
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    I'm guessing the wolves were fearful you would select yourself for another save so best to take another known villager out. But why daven? IS that too stop one of them from getting shot? KEith and bikes aren't at level 0, but are capable of this reasoniong for that level.

    I would have wanted savy or Aubrey dead if it was me, but aubrey wasn't a target for some reason. The fear of Wuf going rogue may have been an issue or Maybe they felt gator and NG was a bigger unknown.

    I don't think the options were sound. Why not me and rilla? I think that is very telling to not give luco the shot? Why?
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    I'm not discussing the vig's choice for obvious reasons.

    No one else should either.

    Jyms, what lvl do you think the wolves are on by killing daven?
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    It bothers me that you thought I wanted you to discuss the vig too.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Luco View Post
    Why do you open every day sounding wolfy jyms?

    Day1:


    Day 2 (just after feds got the ong bombshell):


    Day 3:


    Day 4:


    Day 5:


    It's like every damn day you're scratching for something to say. And that's literally just the very first post of each day, the second and third are rarely better. You're not even trying to get yourself confirmed.
    Confirmed is a fallacy, unless I was lucky enough to get a role like you and be able to out myself I will never be confirmed. No more so than gator or others that have no roles.

    I guess I am lucky you never got the shot then? You surely would have shot me.
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    Quote Originally Posted by JKDS View Post
    I'm not discussing the vig's choice for obvious reasons.

    No one else should either.

    Jyms, what lvl do you think the wolves are on by killing daven?
    I would think they could be level 0 only because of the amount of known villagers and that the rest of us are still very unconfirmed.

    I think that the village is still confused and you're probably right. We shouldn't discuss it, it would only serve to give them clues to the actual vig. I am fine with not discussing it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by jyms View Post
    Confirmed is a fallacy, unless I was lucky enough to get a role like you and be able to out myself I will never be confirmed. No more so than gator or others that have no roles.

    I guess I am lucky you never got the shot then? You surely would have shot me.
    I wasn't chosen so I didn't give it any thought.
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    Quote Originally Posted by daven View Post
    this one's for you
    or, you can note that gator already has a lynch vote and get on his wagon
    you choose

    rescind gator
    lynch jyms


    also, as far as i can tell this is how the vig-shooting situation stands at the moment, nominee and our designated targets:

    jkds - Ill NOW shoot Gizmo or Gator.
    wuf - im shooting mmm or savy
    luco - jyms or rilla
    daven - keith or bikes
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    Oh? I fully expect to be in the heat of the fire this day, It's going to probably come down to me and aubrey today, and maybe savy. Both or them I think are strong candidates for me. Having daven dead isn't going to help much with Wuf, Keith, luco and rilla all willing to lead a charge.
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    Savy is always going to be in the firing line. Not because he's always a wolf here (he's not always a wolf here) but because he point blank refuses to share his thoughts on others with the village and it's bizarre.

    Every new player I've seen tends to nail the top spot for post count because they're rambling on like an excited puppy and trying to figure out how the game works. As a result they get their role revealed quite quickly.

    Savy's tight lipped stance will be the death of him.
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    That might have sounded harsher than I meant it to be.
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    If not for MMM's self-lynch, the game would be over already because Aubrey would have been lynched and the bullet would have sent in Jyms' direction
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    lynch aubrey
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    I'm ok with dying today if wuf thinks that will bring all the answers to the table. Put me against Aubrey then, simple game.
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    lynch aubrey

    Im fine with Aubrey v Jyms. Id like for Rilla to weigh in first, but I dont see how much has changed.
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    We lost three villagers due to MMM's self-lynch. This isn't time to fuck around and test your "Aubrey is a wolf because she talks a lot and I found wolfy things in her convoluted paragraphs" theories.

    (btw, despite how frustrating that whole thing was, this made me lol irl: "The notion of re-reading this thread another time makes me want to go socialize with people, or get some exercise or something. I don't need that crap!" I think you have to be a little masochistic to get fully invested in this game, lol.)

    I'm going to go for the obvious wolf. Lynching me over jyms today, after we lost three villagers in one night/day phase, is simply not the pragmatic choice at this juncture. It's going to do more damage than good.


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    A few things, I am at the beach with friends, so am drinking (low thinky thoughts) and will be out of it until late sunday.

    I will throw out a few thoughts. Nothing to do with the night deaths of last night.

    I do not think Aubrey is a wolf.

    The reasons are a bit back and forth, but for many of the same reasons I didn't think MMM was and think ImSavy may be.

    Yesterday, I just wanted him (MMM) to show up and take himself out of the group I had put him back into. And I wanted to leave open a bunch of easy wagons for the wolves to latch onto. While Jyms is still my premo target, Jyms, if villager, should be an easy wagon for the wolves to latch on to. I wanted to leave as many of these openings for them to go for.

    Basically, my thoughts on the wolves are two fold. 1) they're going to have a tendency to 'stand aside' in the main thrust of the conversation. With so many confirmed villagers, and such a difficult road ahead, the conservative maneuver would be to try to stand to the side.

    2) And this was a yesterday located point, the situation for them was dire. There was really no good path forward for them with so many confirmed villagers and so few things for them to do. Yesterday, we had them in a shit of a corner. At the same time, yesterday aubrey was lively and throwing back at every single comer. For her to be a wolf, she would need to possess a high 'constitution', since, from her perspective, she was seeing days (like 4) of sustained beating back of suspicion. That would take a person with a certain sort of appetite to fuel her posting yesterday.

    Today, Jyms, ImSavy are my way ahead top targets. There is no way that Jyms should be OK with dying when we took a great position and flubbed it up overnight.

    I'll try to keep up with this thread, but my blood alcohol level and general distance from computing devices will make it difficult.
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    Im actually saying I am ok with dying because I won't. To put a post like that together for Aubrey just makes me think of you two as a team. and I think if Aubrey goes then rilla should. I have rilla as a pretty good shot to be villager, but not 100% and he may have just been slippery. Many unconfirmed, but we have lots of time and today we will figure it all out.
  30. #1230
    But to start some heat and get some names

    Lynch Aubrey
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    I'm not getting a wolfy vibe from Aubrey.
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    i think voting aubrey or jyms is probably best but i wont bold aubrey yet because that would put her at 4 and this day should not end nearly as early as the last day did.
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    Quote Originally Posted by jyms View Post
    Im actually saying I am ok with dying because I won't. To put a post like that together for Aubrey just makes me think of you two as a team. and I think if Aubrey goes then rilla should. I have rilla as a pretty good shot to be villager, but not 100% and he may have just been slippery. Many unconfirmed, but we have lots of time and today we will figure it all out.
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    I am not going to be lynched tonight, no matter who I am up against. Plain and simple. For me to say I am ok with being lynched, I am saying go ahead and start the voting. We have 50 hours of debate, nobody is going to lynch me yet and we will find a fed. Hence, go ahead and bold me.
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    FWIW, I have aubrey bolded too because wagons help us find feds. But I would pull my vote too if it got too close, because if she was lynched that fast she surely wouldn't be a fed
  37. #1237
    Quote Originally Posted by jackvance View Post
    I can say this atm. Rilla, I'm not too worried about him because he's a good villager, but imo not a good wolf (ie easy to spot if he is). For me Gator is the same. I know everyone will disagree with me on that, but as I've said (or hinted at) in previous games, in a game before his long playing hiatus I was able to spot his wolf game, so I'm not too worried.

    JKDS, he's tricky. Dunno for sure how to go about distinguishing his wolf game from his villager game. He plays a strong game either way I think, because of his experience from playing mafia games outside of FTR. This makes it hard to gauge what level he is on.

    Ong, I can never understand his reasoning very much so I'll have to see more from him. Jyms, the fact that he plays the game in an exact way to be able to be a better wolf is, hm, kinda makes me want to lynch him for that reason alone because it'll be tough to read him, but not gonna jump the gun. Wuf, I think I can spot if he is a wolf by dissecting his reasoning once he starts to post more openly. Gabe can be tricky but he has some subtle tells to look for.

    Just some preliminary thoughts here.
    Quote Originally Posted by jackvance View Post
    For me, Gator (he posts so little = hard), Aubrey (now less so), rilla (he's very, idk, bombastic), NG (nothing really suspicious, he is just playing like he always plays a wolf too). I'm quite sure I'm missing something, for example MMM and Savy are still a questionmark but not yet worth considering unless we start missing wolf kills. Luco is almost always a villager here, but I can tell you now luco you're never gonna be able to fool me as a wolf again, your thought processes are too much in line with my own.

    Jyms is the interesting person atm, he's been fishy all game, but now his way of posting is reminding me a lot of that game where he was left in endgame with me in a tricky spot. Like, he's still making sense to me. Hard to explain.


    Gabe, what is your opinion on the hoopy kill? This came unexpected for me so maybe there's some info there.
    Early vs later jv opinions. He says he can read gator and rilla easy, but then goes quiet on them. Why?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Luco View Post
    Why do you open every day sounding wolfy jyms?
    Exactly!!

    Then he posts this...

    Quote Originally Posted by jyms View Post
    Many unconfirmed, but we have lots of time and today we will figure it all out.
    Then he turns around and throws in the third lynch for Aubrey with the guise "to start some heat"?

    Jyms, why don't you think Aubrey already had heat from the first two votes? This smells like you wanting to be in the middle of the voting so you can't be accused of a quick lynch.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Luco View Post
    Early vs later jv opinions. He says he can read gator and rilla easy, but then goes quiet on them. Why?
    Because he was a Fed trying to stay on the fence. Rilla first noticed it and I saw the same thing when I did my analysis of him.
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    unvote aubrey, vote im savvy

    I dont see how any wolf could possibly voice that rilla is a wolf. Theyd go after gator instead imo.
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    Thats regarding Jyms btw.
  42. #1242
    I said he's a pretty good shot at being gang, if he was a fed he's been very slippery. I don't have rilla on my radar at all. Yes I would take gator over rilla and is why I question why he wasn't shot.
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    And now you're arguing to dispute this villager tell I have now.

    Lets not lynch jyms.
  44. #1244
    lynch imsavy

    Jv made a comment about leaving mmm and Savy until we start missing wolves. I quoted it a few posts ago.
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  45. #1245
    something that occured to me reading the early bits here is that we are doing this arse about face.......wuf and jkds are puting out lynchs......shouldn't they (and luco) be holding fire with their votes and force everyone else to put in votes . they can then control who is going to be lynched and can put emphasis in at the end of the wagon. Wolves are going to have to vote , they can't lurk or even pass on a vote.

    I'm not saying they can't dictate who gets targeted.... they can and should.....but then the rest of us have to make our votes on the choices they put forward.

    As for jyms wondering why they killed daven.....gator answered this yesterday in that daven was the only 100% villager jkds and wuf are at 99.999999% simply because of action and luco is in at 99% simply because no one else has counterclaimed
  46. #1246
    Good points, tons of villager cred for that first paragraph
  47. #1247
    If Keith is a fed we've already lost
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  48. #1248
    i'm down for a savy lynch.....hes posting elsewhere on the forum but not posting here. this is gonna be heading for one of our last chances to actually take him out. he not posted much in the game at all, so his ability in the endgame is suspect, he's done nothing to show that hes a villager.
    i wanna vote ...but if someone else does as well and he's a villager wolves can close out the day since luco and jkds are already on him.
  49. #1249
    Here is what I see so far, there just has to be a wolf among Jyms, Aubrey and savy, but I don't think there are two in that group. If my theory is correct that means the last wolf is one of myself, Rilla, Keith, and bikes (unless there has been a fake out somewhere along the way which is highly unlikely). Since I know I am a villager that means one of Rilla, Keith or Bikes is the last wolf and all three of them look pretty villagery.

    This has me concerned tbh because I think we are headed to those three being alive on the last day.

    I REALLY hope my theory is wrong here.
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  50. #1250
    As for today my top two choices are Aubrey and Jyms with savy a distant third.
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  51. #1251
    Gator that was beautiful. So you figured out the maths huh?

    I suspected the feds to realise that they had to go for rilla, bikes or Keith or they auto lose. Your suspicion of only one wolf among the other three is what hangs you.
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  52. #1252
    rescind savy

    Lynch Gator
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  53. #1253
    Lunch me now or lynch me later. Doesn't matter to me. I'm just telling it like it is.
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  54. #1254
    Also, do you really think I would make this play NOW?
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  55. #1255
    And the saving grace could be JKDS. If he manages one more save this game gets WAY easier.
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    Gator has never been a part of anything ITT. Always next-to, just-after, over-top-of and the rest.

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  57. #1257
    whatever rilla.
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  58. #1258
    Quote Originally Posted by jyms View Post
    I'm ok with dying today if wuf thinks that will bring all the answers to the table. Put me against Aubrey then, simple game.
    There are so many ways we know Aubrey and Jyms are wolves, and this is one of them. The above doesn't just implicate Jyms, but also Aubrey.

    If Jyms was a villager, he would not be so okay with dying because he would know that he's a villager and that him dying is a pretty huge mistake. Furthermore, if Aubrey was a villager, Jyms would still not be okay with dying because that means the last wolf is hard to find (unless it's Savy, and only if it's Savy). Imagine a Jyms/Gator team. Jyms will never bend over in that team. The same goes for Jyms/Rilla, Jyms/Keith, Jyms/anybody-other-than-Aubrey-or-Savy.

    Jyms is such a wolf it's not even funny. Aubrey is also such a wolf it's not even funny. Savy isn't a wolf because he doesn't care. Remember how JKDS said the village played so shitty last game? He said that because we lynched people for playing the way Savy currently is. I'm not a Savy lynch fan because he's just not giving off any wolf tells, and lynching him now is far less good than lynching him earlier would have been

    Any other player being a wolf would mean the game is no longer standard. Almost all games are standard. In fact, I can't think of a wolf who has been non-standard since I started playing. Rilla, Keith, Gator, Bikes are just really villagery for lots of reasons. If any of them is not a villager, it's most likely Gator, but that probability is still super low compared to Jyms and Aubrey. They're the two who have been acting strange, who haven't been hunting wolves, who have been contradicting themselves. I mean where the fuck is Aubrey's Jyms post? She never made it because she simply does not believe it. There is no need for me to go over the numerous ways Jyms and Aubrey are the finals.


    Aubrey and Jyms aren't giving up, but they're hoping we level ourselves into thinking they're not the targets. They don't have enough motivation to make cases against others, but also don't want to roll over. That's why the extent of their "cases" are "just lynch me and you'll know" or "look at him he's super wolf duh duh duh"
  59. #1259
    ^I should point out that it isn't because the team is Jyms/Aubrey that they're rolling over, but because they're demoralized because they feel they've been caught. If it was something like Jyms/Gator or Rilla/Aubrey, they'd be saying "woooooooo we can soooooooo win this"
  60. #1260
    ^they'd be saying "wooooooooo we can soooooooo win this" in the wolfchat and their minds, not ITT. just want that to clear

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    I should add that the demoralization argument works very well for this game because it's super imba in favor of the villagers. I'll wait till after the game is over to discuss that, but notice how JV long ago said "I was thinking a mass outing could be great for the village". He was right. The wolves winning is a nearly impossible task because of the huge number of confirmed villagers, and they know it. This strongly suggests that their posting would be lackluster, and the posting of Rilla, Gator, and Keith is not that. Then there's Savy who isn't anywhere, Bikes who is the villageriest villager who ever villagered merely due to his near, and the only two remaining are the wolves. They start with a J, end with a Y, and in the middle spell Yms and Aubre
  62. #1262
    ^ Bikes' near death experiences

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  63. #1263
    lol I cannot wait for this game to be over so I can laugh at how wrong you are.

    I didn't make the Jyms post because I decided to relax instead that night, and people are suspicious of him anyway because it's been a conversation everyone's been having all game, the "wtf is jyms doing" conversation, so why do I need to make an analysis of what makes him wolfy?? I thought maybe I'd find something more compelling, something I didn't notice before, but it was honestly just the same elusive weird shit from him that everyone already knew about. Seriously, just stop with that. I explained this already. I actually tried writing a post and I realized EVERYTHING I could have said was already said - just go look at any post Rilla made about jyms and there you go.

    I have no motivation to make cases against others? Uh ok, except for the part where I gave a rather lengthy analysis of the player people barely analyzed: Nightgizmo. In this I implicated MMM as well.

    Are you kidding me saying I haven't done wolf hunting? I've been accusing people all game and pointing out what I find fishy and I have contradicted nothing. If I changed my mind, I gave solid reasoning for it. I have been wolf hunting all game. Maybe I'm not the greatest but I have been playing markedly different than jv and gator (ofc this only applies to gator if he flips wolf but as you can see below, I agree with Luco completely).

    Contradictions? You mean like when I change my mind with totally valid reasoning? I might be all over the place but there's a method to the madness.

    There are so many reasons your post infuriates me (just to name one more: you're comparing the way I've played this game to the way Jyms has played... um, no. Just no) and I need to keep that in check because it's actually not that important, but how can you say such blatantly false things?? Are you hoping no one fact checks what you say? I mean, you're obviously not a wolf so wtf, why? I don't get it. What game are you even playing?


    lynch gator

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  64. #1264
    eh ignore that contradiction redundancy up there - that's what happens when it's late and i copy and paste different rewrites of my various points.
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  65. #1265
    Quote Originally Posted by GatorJH View Post
    Also, do you really think I would make this play NOW?
    Gator wouldn't and he's not a wolf.

    Bikes knocked on death's door a million times and the only way he's a wolf is if he told wolfchat "fuck it sacrifice me for no reason idgaf"

    Rilla isn't a wolf because most of JV's pressure came from him.

    Keith's points are just too reasonable

    Savy disappeared and tried to bet me money he's a villager

    Only two options

    I don't care who you guys lynch as long as Aubrey and Jyms are them at some point before the end
  66. #1266
    Quote Originally Posted by aubreymcfate View Post
    lol I cannot wait for this game to be over so I can laugh at how wrong you are.

    I didn't make the Jyms post because I decided to relax instead that night, and people are suspicious of him anyway because it's been a conversation everyone's been having all game, the "wtf is jyms doing" conversation, so why do I need to make an analysis of what makes him wolfy?? I thought maybe I'd find something more compelling, something I didn't notice before, but it was honestly just the same elusive weird shit from him that everyone already knew about. Seriously, just stop with that. I explained this already. I actually tried writing a post and I realized EVERYTHING I could have said was already said - just go look at any post Rilla made about jyms and there you go.

    I have no motivation to make cases against others? Uh ok, except for the part where I gave a rather lengthy analysis of the player people barely analyzed: Nightgizmo. In this I implicated MMM as well.

    Are you kidding me saying I haven't done wolf hunting? I've been accusing people all game and pointing out what I find fishy and I have contradicted nothing. If I changed my mind, I gave solid reasoning for it. I have been wolf hunting all game. Maybe I'm not the greatest but I have been playing markedly different than jv and gator (ofc this only applies to gator if he flips wolf but as you can see below, I agree with Luco completely).

    Contradictions? You mean like when I change my mind with totally valid reasoning? I might be all over the place but there's a method to the madness.

    There are so many reasons your post infuriates me (just to name one more: you're comparing the way I've played this game to the way Jyms has played... um, no. Just no) and I need to keep that in check because it's actually not that important, but how can you say such blatantly false things?? Are you hoping no one fact checks what you say? I mean, you're obviously not a wolf so wtf, why? I don't get it. What game are you even playing?


    lynch gator

    'cause that was a damn fucking good observation Luco.


    gute Nacht y'all
    Yet you lynch Gator? I thought Jyms was the guy you were super confident about? You said so much yesterday about how killing Jyms is the right thing to do because he's obvious wolf and will show that you're on the right page (you still didn't bold him), yet after Luco makes a nifty (but not solid) observation about Gator, you hop right on?

    You're trying to make it seem like you think Jyms is a wolf but don't want to push it too hard. You're trying to skirt the thin line and get away with it
  67. #1267
    Quote Originally Posted by wufwugy View Post
    Gator wouldn't and he's not a wolf.
    Ok I was a little drunk when I popped in last night, but my point still stands.

    If we don't bag two wolves after working through Aubrey, gator, jyms and Savy, THEN we have to decide between rilla bikes Keith with one shot to get it right.

    A wolf who knows this will realize that they have to push for RBK before we get through the other 4. They simply have to.

    I agree about imbalance though and that gabe lookup didn't help.
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  68. #1268
    Quote Originally Posted by Luco View Post
    Ok I was a little drunk when I popped in last night, but my point still stands.

    If we don't bag two wolves after working through Aubrey, gator, jyms and Savy, THEN we have to decide between rilla bikes Keith with one shot to get it right.

    A wolf who knows this will realize that they have to push for RBK before we get through the other 4. They simply have to.

    I agree about imbalance though and that gabe lookup didn't help.
    I don't want to explain my thoughts about Gator to the point that I can adequately refute your point, so I'll just say that yes, it does technically still stand, but Gator is right that pointing that out now wouldn't be a smart thing to do
  69. #1269
    ^I meant I don't want to point out my general Gator read
  70. #1270
    for obvious reasons

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    @Wuf: The demoralization argument is great, and good catch on the JV quote. I can tell you that he for sure pulled it from ong, who is more than aware of the threat of a "mass claim". Its not something im generally afraid of on ftr, but it is a consideration and it clearly happened here.

    BUT, Imsavy fits your demoralized argument just as well. Aubrey is not demoralized.
  73. #1273
    I said it was absolutely necessary, I never said it was smart.

    With so many confirmed running around the wolves can't choose their noms like normal, can't point the finger like normal, its harsh.

    One of RBK as a wolf is possible but leaving them till last is still optimal because they have the strongest cases for villager and we'd have 5 more confirmed roles to work with. We would also have a lot more posts from rilla and Keith by the time we got there (hi bikes), which is why it makes sense for a wolf to move before their cases got any tighter.

    I would also like to ask wuf why he has been so dismissive of me this game. I warned you about daven, I told you mmm was nearly always town, and now I'm giving you cold hard numbers as a case against gator.
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  74. #1274
    Scratch that last paragraph. I probably haven't been explaining myself very well.
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  75. #1275
    Quote Originally Posted by daven View Post
    this one's for you
    or, you can note that gator already has a lynch vote and get on his wagon
    you choose

    rescind gator
    lynch jyms


    also, as far as i can tell this is how the vig-shooting situation stands at the moment, nominee and our designated targets:

    jkds - Ill NOW shoot Gizmo or Gator.
    wuf - im shooting mmm or savy
    luco - jyms or rilla
    daven - keith or bikes
    looking at the kill list is another argument for lynching gator today in that we guarantee to miss the pussy killer today. if the wolves then miss him tonight since they have to take out the knowns,if forced he can out tomorrow but we are sure of another shot at an unknown piling further pressure on the wolves..

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