Drug smugglers and Feds gameplay thread

[GatorJH]

rather conveniently misses out the context though doesn't it. how about when you add in that Luco had just posted

I was just looking at your posts because I didn't have time for a deep read on the flow of the game.

Btw, I didn't "conveniently" leave out anything. Imbjustvtrying to give the village info they can use after I die today. Seems like I am the only one doing this though which sucks.

[Keith]

his next few posts were defending himself and then going after Jyms. Nothing noteworthy and looks a tad more villagery than wolfish.

Q 416 on page 9. Looks like he is buddying up to rilla here. Not sure why.

my actual post

rilla , what do you think about jyms mentioning the same names as possible angel saves that i said without adding in other potential names. .It seems to me that he was trying to limit how much he actually said as he'd been caught in an error. Also note the extra names that i said could have been angel saves

jyms]@ keith, fuck that scrambling, I'm just trying to figure shit out out loud. I didn't spend a lot of time defending my last bandwagon and I won't start now. I din't name rilla because I have him on my list of possible wolves. as for bikes he never put much heat out there, he lynched Eug, so why would he need protection?

i said bikes,jkds and rilla were also possible people that others may save rather than themselves. Jyms addressed rilla and bikes . Why steer clear of explaining why he didn't mention JKDS who claims to be the angel.

again you miss outthe context . the post before mine was rilla examining jyms

Quote Originally Posted by jyms View Post
Wow night, very interesting turn of events. We rarely see some kind of specials situation on night one. It will make for some interesting congectuer by the village. I don't think anyone should outthemselves just yet until we have an idea of what it can or can't do. I guess only the angel needs to out if he infact protected himself since only then does the village not know who he is.

Quote Originally Posted by jyms View Post
I agree, but that said, we can't have a villager modkilled after we lynch someone else as far as I believe. IF he's not here by the end of the day 2 phase, we may need to switch votes to pascal if we haven't got a sure thing. Losing two villagers will erase the angels run good last night.

Quote Originally Posted by jyms View Post
Good point. Gabe mentioned the angel protecting himself first night, I didn't even think that teh wolves wouldn't know for sure if he protected himself. It very well could have been gabe, JV or gator being protected by the angel and the wolves tried to kill gabe, JV or gator. Bad stretch there. I obviously don't pay enough attention to the details.
"I should be posting a reaction, but I have nothing to say. Look at how things happened. I don't know about them, but oh wow.

I'll now advance a general, philosophical platitude in the same vein as I have done yesterday without tying it down to any concrete aspect of the game before us.

Oh, yes, I was in error. I see that now that my error is highlighted. I could have defended my initial thought but I didn't actually have one."

there is no buddying up, rilla was commenting on jyms and i wanted to see his opinion on the quotes i put.

[Keith]

Q 499 on page 10.

This one is very interesting. Take a look at the piece I extracted. Was this a wolf slipup on what they were planning to do that night.

[COLOR="rgb(255, 140, 0)"]Now its obvious for wuf or JKDS to take out wuf tonight[/COLOR]

this is an interesting one precisely for the reasoning that Gator has pointed out. I obviously made a mistype and put wuf instead of ONG. However ,wolves would be special hunting and posting quotes in a wolf thread. Does that wolf thread use the rgb layout for changing color whereas this forum it would be color="red" to select the colour. GAtor spotted the colour mistake and tried to explain it away in the next post.

[aubreymcfate]

I visited my grandmother last evening and then had a crap night so sorry for being MIA. I knew there was time for me to get my thoughts in now.

I hate typing on the phone so i'll supplement my thoughts here a bit later.

I'll admit, gator's mega reads make me not as sure about him. But I can't help feeling like something is off with this Rilla thing. Maybe it just seems too fps. And I don't think gator or rilla are ever wolves together in this game. (although that would be sick)

If we don't bag a wolf with them though we are screwed so I'm going to believe one of them is fed.

I just realized though.. Last game rong totally fooled me till the end with his super villager act. Rilla is the same way. The only difference is when wuf backed rong into a corner, rong's arguments fell apart a bit. I don't see that happening with rilla.

I need to give this all a fresh read once I'm in front of my laptop so more incoming.

[GatorJH]

this is an interesting one precisely for the reasoning that Gator has pointed out. I obviously made a mistype and put wuf instead of ONG. However ,wolves would be special hunting and posting quotes in a wolf thread. Does that wolf thread use the rgb layout for changing color whereas this forum it would be color="red" to select the colour. GAtor spotted the colour mistake and tried to explain it away in the next post.

If you try to change a color in this forum (which is what I did) you will see that string. And LOL at wolves changing colors in their forum. I don't think I have EVER done this.

[aubreymcfate]

I like how I have so much activity, genuine thought, and activity in this thread that you can go back a week and find meaningful stuff that I've been putting out there. Try the same with Gator.

I also like that combing through all of my work, you can find maybe 20% of it as wolfy on a straightforward read-through. Instead of applying Occam's Razor and weighing it against the other 80%, you use that 20 to color the other 80 as level 2 plus wolf mastery.

One of the reasons I was able to step back from Jyms was because I know I do this myself. (I made a post about pulling back from him for fear tripping into reading everything he does as wolfy, a part of me still thinks he's being wolfy which is why I want him to hunt through the remaining pack). This is a lesson you have yet learned yourself, wuf.

I know there's nothing I can say to get you off my case, but trust that when the game is through, I have lined up some choice gifs to rub it in your face.

P.S. if you ever want to understand what level I'm on, go back and read the case I made against JV and Jyms. I burned some trusted-tried-and-true secrets trying to get the village to move in a more positive direction. (And that post I made about seeing myself as a struggling wolf in one of JVs posts. You just can't fake that shit.)

I mean, maybe I'm just a sucker for logic, but this is a really sound post. I almost don't even think we should lynch Rilla tonight but I guess if he flips villager, it might help with analyzing KB (toys), 'cause then we'll have strong vil reads to go off of.

Rilla has been a great villager. Again, I can't help but worry that I'm falling into the same trap I did with rong. But near the end of the game, IIRC rong's fatal flaw was not going after luco with weak to no reasoning. I don't see Rilla doing anything like that.

Whether Rilla is the wolf or Gator is, KBA still holds the last wolf.

If Jyms isn't the PK we'll find out tomorrow. If that's the case I'll have to recalibrate my thinking.

[QUOTE=a500lbgorilla;2162785]

I have an awkward time believing bikes is a wolf. Keith worries me. He's kept up a hyper low profile after putting together a string of real solid posts that made the game more difficult for the wolves, but he only generates new information on the pussy-killer and that's about it. In my mind, none of Aubrey/Jyms/Gator had as much right to the claim as Keith and he was positioning himself as if to reveal himself as a confirmed villager.
/QUOTE]

So would you say that if Jyms is indeed the PK, Keith would be your likely last wolf?



Can we get a vote count up in here? We need a WW secretary.

[rong]

Not for about 2 hrs. If its tight on voted I'll give an hours warning before I end the day.

[Keith]

If you try to change a color in this forum (which is what I did) you will see that string. And LOL at wolves changing colors in their forum. I don't think I have EVER done this.

just tested that out and appears gator is right , did get that string but like i said though using the colour="red" version of the command does work.

[GatorJH]

just tested that out and appears gator is right , did get that string but like i said though using the colour="red" version of the command does work.

It didn't for me. I tried it both in and out of the original quote (which is why I wanted to change the color in the first place, just to call out that section).

[Keith]

ooops forgot to corrupt the english language in that example, i type color="red" with [] that works and it is the way i've always changed colour

[GatorJH]

Btw Keith, you are wasting time by attacking me. I am dead today or tonight. I am just trying to ensure we don't lose three villagers today/tonight.

[Keith]

i think its 3 on rilla to 1 on gator with me bikes JKDS and aubreyt still to vote .I'm going to lynch gator since he is posting my quotes out of context and then giving them a wolfy interpretation that doesn't fit in with the original context.

lynch Gator

[GatorJH]

i think its 3 on rilla to 1 on gator with me bikes JKDS and aubreyt still to vote .I'm going to lynch gator since he is posting my quotes out of context and then giving them a wolfy interpretation that doesn't fit in with the original context.

lynch Gator

Talking about misleading. Did you not read my final thought where I stated that with the exception of the final post I had you firmly as a villager? Sheesh Keith, try helping the village for once.

[Keith]

no ....didn't read it hold on ....my internet is playing up chronic, can hardly display a full page

rescind gator

[GatorJH]

That takes me through Day 3 and I have the following thoughts. On the surface Keith seems pretty villagery but almost TOO villagery. Up to that last post I had him villager more often than not.

here you go.

[jyms]

Did we decide who is shooting who to? put me in there.

[rong]

Keith, is that unboulded rescind to be counted? I'm counting it due to your internet issues so assume you've rescinded and currently have no vote in for anyone until you make a fresh bolded lynch.

[bikes]

lynch gator if gator is not a wolf sigh.

pk nail a wolf pls.

[Keith]

any reason for that lynch bikes?

[bikes]

Im on break from work but I find it odd gator thinks everyone he reviews is wolf also I find it super odd he's made it this far into game when wolves rarely let him live past day 4. Wish i could type more but I gotta get back sorry. If there's errors, fucking phone.

[GatorJH]

I will have to do the rest tomorrow, but right now Bikes looks more Fed than villager.

my guess is he bolded me because of this.

[GatorJH]

btw, I am working on the rest of the bikes analysis so look for more posts.

[GatorJH]

Im on break from work but I find it odd gator thinks everyone he reviews is wolf also I find it super odd he's made it this far into game when wolves rarely let him live past day 4. Wish i could type more but I gotta get back sorry. If there's errors, fucking phone.

There's errors, but it is in your logic. Did you not see my post on keith where I all but called him a villager? Also, I am still alive because the Feds have been killing confirmed since like night 2. Have you not noticed this?

[Keith]

Im on break from work but I find it odd gator thinks everyone he reviews is wolf also I find it super odd he's made it this far into game when wolves rarely let him live past day 4. Wish i could type more but I gotta get back sorry. If there's errors, fucking phone.

This is my problem with bikes .....wolves have never had a chance to eat gator as so many knowns appeared at the start of the game. Its a bullshit reason and shows he doesn't have a clue about the way this game thread has evolved. most of his posts don't actually include anything that can be analysed which makes him impossible to read. If jyms is the PK , i'd prefer bikes was shot in preference to gator

[JKDS]

I don't think gator is wolfing at this point.

Lynch bikes

Could be a wolf, ong pushed votes away from bikes, and he's a liability or a wolf for not getting how gator being alive isn't strange at all.

I'll switch to rilla b4 deadline in an hour if necessary.

@jyms: wuf shoots u. I shoot someoneelse.

[JKDS]

I don't think gator is wolfing at this point.

Lynch bikes

Could be a wolf, ong pushed votes away from bikes, and he's a liability or a wolf for not getting how gator being alive isn't strange at all.

I'll switch to rilla b4 deadline in an hour if necessary.

@jyms: wuf shoots u. I shoot someoneelse.

[Keith]

would you prefer a shot between gator and rilla or between gator and bikes? i can hop on a bikes lynch because of the ong posts where he posted just before bikes finally turned up saying that he expected bikes to turn up and 30 minutes later bikes posted in the game thread.

[GatorJH]

Quotes on page 15 - Nothing of note here

sweet ftr is back up and i am alive. reading brb.

i also still think jyms could be fed >35% of the time just based on all his random I MUST KEEP MESELF ALIVE warble garbles.

but then again ongbonga calls jyms out in a few posts which would be unlikely if jyms is a wolf

The last one came in about 6 minutes after the 2nd one so he was either high level scanning posts (which is certainly possible) or was reminded that Ong had gone after jyms.

[jyms]

Uhm yea, rescind gator, lynch bikes

[jyms]

When bikes turns up fed it was a good play by him, he's not tied to anyone really

[GatorJH]

Q 773 on page 16

Looks more villagery than not. The only wolf tell would be that JV is in the middle of the list of three but that is slim at best.

i think the best lynch choices tonight are nightgizmo jackvance or aubrey.

i still have no clue wtf jyms is doing but i don't get the wolfy vibe from him. its more the chicken with it's head cut off vibe. i am like 95% positive that luco is for sure villager based on how early ong voted to lynch him day 1. and imsavy is probably town 80%+ of the time based on ongbonga's interaction with him imo.

[jyms]

I don't think gator is wolfing at this point.

Lynch bikes

Could be a wolf, ong pushed votes away from bikes, and he's a liability or a wolf for not getting how gator being alive isn't strange at all.

I'll switch to rilla b4 deadline in an hour if necessary.

@jyms: wuf shoots u. I shoot someoneelse.

Good, I haven't given Wuf a shot yet and don't want to start now.

[Keith]

in fact lets make this interesting ... i posted about jyms/bikes possibly being a team so we may end this game tonight if jyms has fake outed.

Lynch Bikes

[GatorJH]

here is when JV gets on Bikes. At this point Bikes already had (I think) 3 votes on him.

Q 838 on page 17

lol luco


Second time now in this game I call a lock villager, first wuf, and now you out as a special too.

Not sure if I should lynch bikes or savy now. Gator makes a good case for bikes, whose play imo can be surmized into 'say stuff without giving a reasoning and repeat what other prominent villagers are saying'. But I also want to put some focus on Savy. He's posting in other subforums, and is usually pretty apt to engage in discussions with everyone, but here he has been a non-presence so far. Being a wolf and discouraged/afraid to post is a decent explanation here.

followed pretty quickly by Q 839

lynch bikes

Meh first things first.

Note: I took out the bold for Rong

[GatorJH]

Good, I haven't given Wuf a shot yet and don't want to start now.

LOL - That would scare me too tbh.

PS - Love ya wuf!!

[GatorJH]

Good, I haven't given Wuf a shot yet and don't want to start now.

LOL - That would scare me too tbh.

PS - Love ya wuf!!

[GatorJH]

It was at this time that Bikes went silent again and sent a message through Dozer about his internet problems.

I don't doubt that he had internet problems, just find it weird that a regular villager would go through that much effort to let everyone know they can't post. Maybe he just loves him some ww but then again he completely forgot about the beginning of the game.

I honestly don't know what to think about this.

[GatorJH]

that takes me through JV's death as well and I haven't changed my opinion that Bikes is a Fed WAAAAY more often than Keith here.

[rong]

1 hr left

Vote count coming

[rong]

Vote Count Update

Bikes - 3 (JKDS, Jyms, Keith)
Gator - 2 (Bikes, Rilla)
Rilla - 2 (Gator, Wuf)

Not voting: Aubrey


43 mins remaining

[rong]

Feel free to check that vote count. There was some weird shit in there with, I think, the likes of Jyms rescinding someone he wasn't actually bolding at the time. You can go off this if yu want but be warned that I will recount once the day is done and the accurate figure will be used if I have made a mistake here,

[jyms]

I think this vote as it stands is very telling. How did aubrey post so much and have no bold? I doubt both wolves are on the same person unless They just haven't paid attention to the shift and are stuck (rilla, bikes)

I think we are going to finish strong, there has been a lot of posting and debate.

[jyms]

My last vote is correct. It's jsut a phone issue, I can't go back and look sometimes to figure out if I bolded or just pointed a finger

[GatorJH]

It's too close for my comfort and I haven't done my own review of Rilla so I will rescind Rilla, lynch bikes

[aubreymcfate]

Sorry, busy day at work, trying to make up my mind. I'm torn between gator and bikes. I was resolved about gator but then he put out all those reads and I'm not so sure.

I honestly think bikes is the most likely wolf of KBR, but I really want to see if gator is a wolf first because that's what much of my thoughts were based on.

Hmm.. but now that I'm looking up there, it seems like if I vote for gator all I'm going to do is tie the wagon.

ok

lynch bikes

because he's leading the wagon and I suspected him, albeit not as strong as gator, but if I vote for gator i'm only going to tie the wagons. Doesn't seem to be any purpose to that, unless I'm unaware of some special wagon tie rule?

And then whoever the vig gives the shot too can choose whomever. I think they should go for gator because between gator and rilla I think gator is always wolf.

[rong]

Days over, a majority has been reached.

No more posting.

(Unless it's to tell me that I miscounted, in which case the thread will open up again)

[rong]

Bikes was a bit confused, but he also felt safe. Nobody seemed to really suspect him and rightly so in his opinion. Since his WoW buddy had died, and turned out to be a fed, he had kinda just hung out in his room smoking ice and playing on the internet. He hadn't put much effort into helping find the feds but that made him feel safe from them too.

After 18 hours of sitting at his desk staring at a screen he decided to take a walk to clear his head. It was hot and sunny out, which he didn't much like, and the view was shit, it was just desert and rocks for miles around. He returned 10 minutes later, hot and bothered, his legs aching after their first bit of exercise in weeks, and having just vowed to never go for a walk again. He was looking forward to his pipe as he opened the door to his room.

Inside, the whole gang were waiting for him.

"You're a Fed bikes!" said Jyms

"Yeah!" said Keith.

Everyone started day dreaming about this and that. Then they waited. Then everyone looked at Keith, a little confused. That was the shortest sentence they'd ever heard him make.

Relieved, JKDS added "We've hacked into you WoW account bikes. Tell us who the other fed is or we'll delete your character."

"No! I'm a level 80 Mage, don't do it!"

JKDS typed "delet" on the screen.

"No, please don't! It's not me, I swear!"

Gator walked over and pressed the "e" key. Aubrey held her finger over the enter key.

"I'll tell you anything.... anything you want.... just don't delete my mage. They say you can get them restored, but they say there's no guarantees. THERE'S NO GUARANTEES!!! Don't do it. What if they can't restore it?! I don't know anything. Just tell me what you want to hear and I'll say it!"

Bikes started twitching, the meth had ruined him long ago, but this could send his warped mind over the edge.

Aubrey pressed the enter key. Bikes face crumbled. He charged at her, his geeky body weak as it hadn't done any exercise in weeks and the meth was taking it's toll. She side stepped, but bikes didn't notice as he had his eyes closed and his arms flailing in front of him. He ran straight at the window and fell straight through it. They heard a horrible crack, even all the way up in the 2nd floor (3rd for you yanks!).

Bikes, a regular gang member, is dead.


The living:

Gator
Wuf
Aubrey
JKDS
Jyms
Keith
The Rilla



the dead

Day 1: eugmac, a regular gang member, lynched by the village.
Night 1: wolves thwarted by angel
Day 2: Daven, a regular villager, lynched by the village.
Night 2: Pascal, a regular villager, was modkilled.
Night 2: Ongbonga, a Fed, was killed by the Vig.
Night 2: Hoopy, the connected gang member, was killed by the feds.
NIght 2: Daven, was revived.
Day 3: JV, a Fed, was lynched by the village.
Night 3: Gabe, a regular village, was killed by the Feds.
Night 3: wolves Vig shot thwarted by angel
Day 4: MMM, a regular gang member, was modkilled for self lynching.
Night 4: NightGizmo, a regular gang member, was killed by the Vig.
Night 4: daven, a regular gang member, was killed by the feds.
Day 5: ImSavy, a regular gang member, was lynched by the village.
Night 5: Luco, the reviver, was killed by the feds.
Day 6: Bikes, a regular gang member, was lynched by the village.


Night 6 will last approx another 22 hrs max.

[rong]

Our resident psycho was delighted with the amount of death surrounding him. 12 bodies were buried in the local area and one way or another he had had a hand in many of them. With the pool of gang members shrinking, he went back to the same guy to carry out his work.

JKDS looked at the pictures of him and that young hottie he'd met in the club. He had no idea where they came from and he wasn't happy at being blackmailed, but he was delighted to have pictures of himself in action with that girl. He finished off, wiped up and then came back to that picture. He stared at his naked skinny frame and decided that he really needed to start working out. If he kept having to go out and kill people he was going to need to be bigger.

With that in mind, he once again picked the easiest target he could think of. He didn't have a gun, so he grabbed the cheese wire, dressed in all black and sneaked out to hunt his prey.

His target had also made plans plans that evening. For different reasons the target also wanted to keep in good shape and so prepared to go for a run. After the deaths of Daven and Nightgizmo while each were out on their own, and determined not to be a victim, the target taped a knife to the inner calf, just in case.

The target pushed hard that night, it was a tough circuit and good time was a priority.

JKDS was fucking knackered. There was no way he could keep up. Resigned to failure he came off the path and sat against a rock to get his breath back. He stayed there for a good ten minutes contemplating who he'd kill instead when he heard the rhythmic tapping of shoes on concrete. It was his lucky night.

It was a cloudy night which left little light so he peered around the rock with no fear of being seen. He timed it perfectly and in seconds had the cheese wire tight around the neck.

Aubrey felt the sharp pain as the cheese wire began to slice into her throat. Her heart rate was high from the running and her lungs were already desperate for oxygen. Her face resembled a fish out of water as she gasped for air.

She was trying to fight the panic and grappling to reach the knife taped to her calf. She managed to release it by lifting her left foot off the ground but this caused extra pressure on her throat and she stumbled to her knees in the process. JKDS dug his knees into aubrey's back and began sawing back and forth to hurry up the kill.

Aubrey desperately waved the knife behind her but couldn't reach her attacker. She managed one last swipe before she realised it was hopeless but felt some satisfaction in the yelp let out by JKDS as she caught his arm.

Finally, JKDS felt aubrey go limp. He released the wire and sat back exhausted. She'd had far more fight than he'd expected.

His wrist was sore where she'd cut him. He grabbed for his sleeve to survey the damage and was surprised at how wet it was. He pulled it back and a spurt of blood slapped him in the face.

She'd caught his ulnar artery with the knife.

JKDS could see the hide out lit up in the distance. Realising he needed urgent medical assistance he began running toward it but the harder he ran the faster the blood squirted out of his arm.

He tried slowing down to a jog to slow his heart rate but adrenaline was pumping through his veins and he couldn't control it.

He increased his pace to a sprint and headed for the hide out as he began to panic. He got about 100 ft from the door when he began to feel really weak. He fell to the floor and crawled as fast as he could and realised he wasn't going to make it. He called out for his friends but it was too late. They found him lying on floor the next morning, dead.

They followed the trail of blood back to aubrey and found her body on the road, her head nearly severed from her body, a federal issue knife still clasped in her hand.



JKDS, the angel, is dead.






Aubrey, a fed, is dead.










The living:

Gator
Wuf
Jyms
Keith
The Rilla



the dead

Day 1: eugmac, a regular gang member, lynched by the village.
Night 1: wolves thwarted by angel
Day 2: Daven, a regular villager, lynched by the village.
Night 2: Pascal, a regular villager, was modkilled.
Night 2: Ongbonga, a Fed, was killed by the Vig.
Night 2: Hoopy, the connected gang member, was killed by the feds.
NIght 2: Daven, was revived.
Day 3: JV, a Fed, was lynched by the village.
Night 3: Gabe, a regular village, was killed by the Feds.
Night 3: wolves Vig shot thwarted by angel
Day 4: MMM, a regular gang member, was modkilled for self lynching.
Night 4: NightGizmo, a regular gang member, was killed by the Vig.
Night 4: daven, a regular gang member, was killed by the feds.
Day 5: ImSavy, a regular gang member, was lynched by the village.
Night 5: Luco, the reviver, was killed by the feds.
Day 6: Bikes, a regular gang member, was lynched by the village.
Night 6: aubrey, a fed, was killed by the Vig.
Night 6: JKDS, the angel, was killed by the feds.




It's day 7. 5 players left. 3 to lynch.

Day will last approx 48 hrs or until a majority lynch is reached. If it's tight toward the end of the day I'll give a minimum of one hours notice before the day ends.

[jyms]

Well isn't that special.

[rong]

Jkds pm me for the dead thread. I didn't wanna spoil your death with a pm.

[GatorJH]

3 down 1 to go. Guess it is time to do a deep dive on Aubrey, but first thought based on review of Keith is it has to be Rilla.

[jyms]

I'm on rilla first thought too. In fact, I am going with rilla's thoughts on you and keith and keith on you and rilla too.

[GatorJH]

I'm on rilla first thought too. In fact, I am going with rilla's thoughts on you and keith and keith on you and rilla too.

Personally I don't think you will need it, but I can certainly see where you are coming from.

[GatorJH]

Where is everybody?

[Keith]

had to ctrl f5 else I kept getting the database error page . could be the same for others . Internet is still playing up as well ...had to go for a modem reboot to get to see whats happened.

[jyms]

Ya wow, FTR just busted for me, no error page but it was in a state of loading for a while.

[Keith]

i guess first question is whether there are any other counter claims to jyms

[jyms]

If there was, why am I still alive? Wuf was supposed to get the shot by the real PK and shoot me.

[GatorJH]

Not sure why you keep asking that Keith.

[jyms]

Hoping a fed would try maybe, but you would have to be a fool to be buried as a fed right now and do something like that.

[Keith]

Doh......after i argued that jyms had to be one of the shot victims as well

I also prefer a rilla lynch today. Think gator quoted some weird interchange rilla and aubrey had . BUt aubrey always had a reason for not being able to post. Rilla too had his at the beach /driving back as an excuse for not posting once the game got difficult for the wolves numbers wise.

Gonna go back and have a look but did rilla ever explain why he opened up a day lynching JV without any reasoning.

[Keith]

lost this the first time i was doing it so retyping from memory

Quote Originally Posted by NightGizmo View Post
There are 6 votes on JV. I'm going to hold off voting for him right now, so we aren't one vote away from ending the day. I currently have the vote count at:

JV - 6 (gabe, gator, jkds, jyms, rilla, wuf)
bikes - 3 (aubrey, jv, savy)
jyms - 1 (daven)
rilla - 1 (monkey)

Quote Originally Posted by NightGizmo View Post
aubrey's latest post makes it 7 for JV, btw. One more vote and the day is over. I'm not putting the nail in the coffin when we have so much time left today. Ending the day early only helps the wolves.

gizmo and aubrey posted about a minute apart, can't see them posting opposite views that close together if they are both wolves. ALso , why would a wolf gizmo try and hold this wagon up. wolves probably have 2 kills tonight they'd love to get the day over and use their kills especially if JV has been thrown under the bus. Wolf Gizmo could have hopped on the wagon and hoped others didn't realise that the next bold would be a kill vote.

Quote Originally Posted by aubreymcfate View Post
oh yeah, I don't want to end the day early.

rescind jv

just in case some noob strolls in and fucks our shit up.

Why is Aubrey worried about a noob coming in and "fucking our shit up". Surely she should be worried that a wolf could bold JV and end the day. does she know the wolves are already on this wagon and can't finish it off, and she can only know that bty being a wolf.

Quote Originally Posted by aubreymcfate View Post
but when i jumped to the bikes wagon when everyone thought he was wolfy, that wasn't wolfbikes telling me to throw him under the bus?

i've made it very clear that i find jv hard to read - that's not something i just made up on the spot. i had an especially hard time reading him during my first game.

i read through the reasoning for JV, and it made a lot of sense. i could paraphrase why but that's just redundancy. i'm not taking a college class, i'm playing a game. i don't need to show my work when it's unnecessary. i'm placing trust in the stronger villagers, going on the bandwagon, and trying to draw further analysis (in this case, what JV being wolf means for bikes) so that i'm not a completely useless echo.

why am I somehow the only one you accuse of being told to throw JV under the bus? why not gator, or jyms?

if it's because i was later than them, it's because i had a yoga class this evening and got home a bit later than usual.

SUrely you should be placing trust in the known villagers , not unknowns trying to shape the villagers thoughts. Wolves are quite happy to follow others arguments as it draws less attention to themselves.
Interesting that you avoid rilla in the bit where you talk about being told to throw someone under the bus.

Quote Originally Posted by aubreymcfate View Post
I don't really think Rilla is a wolf but I said I wouldn't be surprised precisely because I think he's capable. and I've never been a wolf, I have no idea how fancy or intricate their plans can get. Imagine you were only ever a villager - how could you possibly be as discerning about that sort of thing?

And while I did read through the whole thing it was mostly Rilla that jumped out at me, particularly his commentary on being in the game rather than outside of the game. In my "lynch jv" post I made particular note of that.

Also, who really started going hard after JV. Rilla, or Gator? Who really led that? Rilla hands down had the strongest arguments, and he was the first to actually come down hard starting around post 948, if not earlier.

Are you honestly claiming that you haven't read the last couple of wolf threads when they have been revealed at the end of the game? If you have you would have plenty of insight into how the wolves work without having been one.

Also, interesting how you want to know who went after JV first. rong posted the night results and 7 minutes later rilla came in with 2 definate wolves and said that the cases against them stand on their on merits....but then didn't make the cases against them at all.He was more interested at then pointing the finger at me . Also he then went on to say that he misread the hoopy result. Then he questioned how the wolves found him. really?? was this a subtle piece of misdirection trying to get us to think that he didn't think hoopy could have been seer and that he thought he was a fed so that rilla couldn't be a fed.

Gator then seemed to be the one that restarted the JV wagon and posted quite a long accusatory post against him. maybe this is the time that the wolves decided to throw JV under the wagon and gain some villager credit and rilla came in and helped develop the evidence against JV. I'd shown how they were screwed mathematically and the wolves desperately needed some village cover. Its much easier to target a fellow wolf as you know the reasons for their posts already.

The thing that i find fascinating is that #871 rong posts the compensation that the wolves are going to get an extra wolf kill tonight to balance up the villagers gabe lookup. 1 minute later rilla is posting to help develop the case against JV. I wouldn't be surprised if rong had posted his intended actions in the wolf thread and this caused the wolves to ask for a bit of time before he posted it into the thread . then they decided to throw JV under the bus and gain villager cred as the extra kill suddenly gave them a chance at a win.Rilla may have been intending to get his post out before rong posted but the change in tack from rilla 1 minute after rong posted seems to be really suspicious timing.rilla could easily have done a refresh , seen no rong post and hit submit and then found out that his post came after rongs.

Quote Originally Posted by aubreymcfate View Post
i went through the thread hard for a while and i'm going to say that if jv is wolf, then nightgizmo is very likely the third wolf, and imsavy is possibly the fourth. yes, i know i called him "lock villager" in the beginning - i really thought i had a good villager read on him. but now that the pool is smaller, i have to scrutinize more.

i'm exhausted and it would take me forever to assemble these notes into something coherent right now.

if i don't get to it in time i'll post them when the next day starts.

I just don't see gizmo as a wolf ,partly for the reasons i gave above and partly for the day 1 posts where he tried to stop any discussion about JKDS being able to have any more saves. I was extremely carefully about the way i phrased one of my posts to say that JKDS had confirmed he only had a 1 shot save as i didn't know whether he had said that as a misdirection to confuse the wolves. A wolf wouldn't want to stop any discussion about it but it stuck in my mind at that time that he was a likely villager.

hmmmmm this post takes on a whole new lease of life knowing that aubrey is a wolf and was analysing her responses after JKDS targetted her .

i really want to lynch rilla now

[Keith]

that was #1031 on page 21

[wufwugy]

it's keith. i figured out about five minutes after seeing the bikes result that aubrey and keith are the finals. still havent even read what happened though because i was pissed

but as usual, when you play well, the final day is easy

[GatorJH]

it's keith. i figured out about five minutes after seeing the bikes result that aubrey and keith are the finals. still havent even read what happened though because i was pissed

but as usual, when you play well, the final day is easy

why do you think it is keith? As I stated when I did my review other than him possibly looking TOO villagery I had a hard time putting him in the Fed category.

[wufwugy]

@Jyms. Sorry I didn't believe you. I had a super strong line on Bikes being the vig. Obviously it was inadvertent now, but he signaled Gabe in some really neat ways, and he's one of the only players who would give Gabe the bullet.

Also I made a mistake in thinking Bikes was the vig so often that I didn't bother to defend his villagerness, and he got lynched while I was away. I figured the village would stick with one of Rilla and Gator, but I guess not. Anyways, how the Bikes wagon went down is super telling, so it wasn't a complete loss

Even though I'm not often deductive, it did get in the way this time, because if I had thought more about Jyms being a vig possibility, I would have realized that the game was solved since my read on Bikes being lock villager were solid, and I would have hit that point home. But I didn't bother because I didn't think of it


@Rilla. I wouldn't call it FPS. It's an aggressive inductive elimination process. I had put Bikes and Savy in the top two villager spots at the time that I decided to move aggressively against you. And now I think yours and Gator's roles are really clear due to everything that went down.

[a500lbgorilla]

I completed 1/2 of a thread read-thru yesterday. I will get through as much as I can today. I will gestate this new and beautiful information and lay out everything I see.

[wufwugy]

why do you think it is keith? As I stated when I did my review other than him possibly looking TOO villagery I had a hard time putting him in the Fed category.

Because it's not you and it's not Rilla. Look at how Keith bolded you yesterday then switched to Bikes like it wasn't a big deal. Just compare how Rilla did his bolding and how Keith and Aubrey did theirs. Keith doesn't have any real opinion of who the wolf is

As it has turned out, this game is standard like them all. The wolves stayed out of the fray as much as they could, put up really aggressive defenses of themselves whenever attacked, and their lynches are as if they don't really mean it.

Also, I guarantee I'm still alive because Keith thinks I suck. He thinks I'm erratic and I don't see the big picture. Ironically, I try to only see the big picture. Also I think Rilla and Gator would have nommed me at some point. Keith just straight up thinks I suck. I guess now he'll learn that every villager "sucks" when they're in early and mid game, and that an inductive style of argumentation is inherently different and superior to a deductive one

Also Aubrey thinks she could manipulate me emotionally. I never actually took her off my wolf list, but she probably thought I did.


Oh also Keith is a really aggressive villager. Dude always makes colossal posts attacking somebody, but he hasn't done that this game. He loves the detective process too, but obviously no reason for that when he's a wolf. Notice how a whole bunch of his posts about how the vig should act or whatever. This ain't village Keith. Village Keith would have had some strong as shit opinions about everything that went down with Rilla, Gator, Jyms, etc


k now time to actually read what happened yesterday. Words cannot describe how mad I was that Bikes wasn't the vig. He said this

http://www.flopturnriver.com/pokerfo...11#post2160511

Which didn't make a whole lot of sense at the time. Sometime after Gabe got the bullet I had a lightbulb moment that Bikes was signaling Gabe in a way that he thought only Gabe would get. Couple that with the fact that he mentioned Gabe in about 50% of his other posts, and you got a possible signal. Now I realize it was just his way of saying he didn't agree with my points about Gabe's Eug lynch, but whatever

[wufwugy]

If Keith is a villager, why in the shit did he neeeeeeeeeevvvvvvvvvvveeeeeeeerrrrrrrrrrrrrrr attack Aubrey? The only reason Keith plays this game is so he can jump down peoples' throats

[wufwugy]

I'm honestly upset that I didn't get to lynch Aubrey. I stopped attacking her because I was looking for a wolf team, not just one individual, and when I saw that huge discrepancy between what Rilla said about Jyms and did about Jyms, I had to switch aim

[wufwugy]

BTW good shot JKDS. Figured she'd be your target. She played wolf well, but never did anything other than defend herself like crazy and piggyback on wagons. When she did it with JV it almost got her killed, and this piggyback on Bikes finally did

[Keith]

read post 1031 re attacking aubrey

[wufwugy]

read post 1031 re attacking aubrey

That's the hedgiest hedge I've ever seen. Aubrey was only under tons of pressure after JV's lynch, your post was before it. If your attacks on Aubrey were serious, they wouldn't have ended up buried and they would have emerged during the time that she was heavily under fire

[wufwugy]

Because nothing is what it seems. It's not that Jyms finds me wolfy largely because I've been so relentlessly after him and anytime his feeling was able to bubble up with some public support, he put it out there. (I'm pretty sure he wagoned me on day 3 too.) No, it's not that because we don't live in Occam's world. Everything has to be master-strokes and brilliant-schemes.

FWIW dude, it wasn't "brilliant schemes" so much as I had legit reasons why I thought you were playing your wolf game. I mean, you gotta admit that you said many things about Jyms being a wolf but never even acted on them. However, now that shows that you're likely villager because if you were wolf, you would jumped on Jyms (since we know he's a villager) when I was berating you for not doing it. This is why I attack people aggressively and try to fit teams together

And the only reason I thought you had thrown JV under the bus was that he died without any fight and the game was very imba against the wolves. Even though it is virtually always a big mistake to kill your fellow wolves, I thought that this was the ONE time the wolves would think they needed to do it in order to win

[wufwugy]

in fact lets make this interesting ... i posted about jyms/bikes possibly being a team so we may end this game tonight if jyms has fake outed.

Lynch Bikes

LOL

If Keith was a villager, this post would have read

"Wuf ur a fucking retard. Jyms is always the vig. You suck you suck you suck you don't know how to play ur reads are shit ur face is shit ur a nuisance to the village"