3 hands 25 nl zoom

[caddie444]

Input appreciated, all hands from 25nl Zoom. I try to do my best to take notes on opponents while playing, but zoom action is very fast and there are hundreds of players, so reads are few and far between.

Hand 1) only have 70 hands on villain. He's playing 17/16 with a 10% 3 bet. How is the 4-bet size and flop bet size? should I go larger? What is my turn plan?

PokerStars Zoom No-Limit Hold'em, $0.25 BB (9 handed) - PokerStars Converter Tool from http://flopturnriver.com

Button ($29.71)
SB ($25)
BB ($30.31)
UTG ($13.77)
Hero (UTG+1) ($47.15)
MP1 ($58.25)
MP2 ($31.42)
MP3 ($32.46)
CO ($15.34)

Preflop: Hero is UTG+1 with A, A
1 fold, Hero raises to $0.75, MP1 raises to $2.25, 6 folds, Hero raises to $6.50, MP1 calls $4.25

Flop: ($13.35) 3, 8, 10 (2 players)
Hero bets $7, MP1 calls $7

Turn: ($27.35) K (2 players)
Hero ???

When he calls flop, I feel like his range is sets and overpairs? Maybe even 77 or 99 (though discounted b/c not sure if he's 3betting these pre) I don't think he has many flushes, so b/f?



Hand 2) Villain is 10/8, pretty tight player who plays pretty straightforward. Should I be 3-betting pre? I always find it hard when nits open and I have a semi-strong hand in the blinds. If he 4-bets me I would have to fold. Post flop, should I be betting river?

PokerStars Zoom No-Limit Hold'em, $0.25 BB (9 handed) - PokerStars Converter Tool from http://flopturnriver.com

Button ($25.35)
Hero (SB) ($59.86)
BB ($28.60)
UTG ($25)
UTG+1 ($21.38)
MP1 ($23.15)
MP2 ($14.94)
MP3 ($31.86)
CO ($54.60)

Preflop: Hero is SB with J, J
3 folds, MP2 raises to $0.75, 3 folds, Hero calls $0.65, 1 fold

Flop: ($1.75) A, A, 6 (2 players)
Hero checks, MP2 bets $1, Hero calls $1

Turn: ($3.75) 3 (2 players)
Hero checks, MP2 checks

River: ($3.75) 4 (2 players)
Hero bets $1.75


After he checks turn, I realize that 99-KK are still in his range, he may even have some aces played weirdly I guess. I bet basically so I don't have to call a larger bet from KK-QQ and to get value from 10-10, 9-9

Hand 3) Villain here is playing 30/22 with a 30% EP open over ~100 hands. What should my turn action be? River plan?

PokerStars Zoom No-Limit Hold'em, $0.25 BB (9 handed) - PokerStars Converter Tool from http://flopturnriver.com

Button ($35.75)
SB ($12.25)
BB ($37.23)
UTG ($26.14)
UTG+1 ($42.81)
Hero (MP1) ($25)
MP2 ($34.92)
MP3 ($12.93)
CO ($19.12)

Preflop: Hero is MP1 with 10, 10
UTG raises to $0.75, 1 fold, Hero calls $0.75, 6 folds

Flop: ($1.85) 2, 6, 8 (2 players)
UTG bets $1.25, Hero calls $1.25

Turn: ($4.35) 7 (2 players)
UTG bets $3.25, Hero's plan is?

Since he's opening so wide, even from EP, my plan was to just call turn call safe rivers, since I do have some equity vs his overpairs with my gutter/set outs. Is this too passive?

Thanks!

[abelardx]

Hand 1: What is his fold to 4bet stat? Haha, just kidding. Who calls 4bets? I think his range is very polarized there and on the flop. You 4bet from ep so your hand looks like what it is. But since you're deep, he probably has a fair number of longshot hands in his range like sc's and Axs.

Let's see, on the turn, the pot is 27 with about 35 behind. Another bet commits you. KK and spades just got there, and he probably folds his non-spade suited crap on the flop. There's not a lot left that you beat to call a turn bet, maybe AK.

http://www.pokerstrategy.com
Board: 3hTs8sKs
Equity Win Tie
MP2 45.38% 42.73% 2.65% { AA }
MP3 54.62% 51.97% 2.65% { KK+, TT, AKs, AsQs, AsJs, QsJs, AKo }

I would probably stick it in and stack myself but it looks like going into check-fold mode is the right play.

The 4bet sizing looks good. The flop bet could be bigger. Given the above reasoning, that's he's calling pre with suited hands because you're deep, charging the draws is more important than maintaining a uniform bet size. It would also commit you and relieve you of any late street difficult decisions. If he calls and gets there it's at least satisfying to know you made a ton of sklansky bucks.

Hand 2: Looks good. Personally, I like flatting with TT and JJ, but you can 3bet them too if you want. You might bet a little bigger otr. He could call with most of his pocket pairs. Of course that's a bet/fold.

Hand 3: You could raise the flop with what is often the best hand just because many turns and rivers suck for us. As played, since we're in position, I would just call and see if he slows down on the river. I think you're ahead of his range on the turn for sure but the river will give more information.

[abelardx]

In hand 3 I think you're ahead a lot because of the guy's mildly laggy tag stats. He's often firing two oop to get you off of good-looking overs that called the flop. He might very well have his whole preflop range on the turn. So I think there's a very good chance he gives up on the river.

[BorisTheSpider]

Hand 1: I think the 4bet is a little big, but this deep I like it - I guess I should take note of the sizing here.

Flop I think should be bigger - he's shown every indication preflop that he's willing to stack off, and this is the ideal flop for him to do it with QQ/KK, so since unless he thinks you're full of shit he's folding AK other than AKss here, I think we should go bigger for value, like $11 maybe $12.

Turn is ugh, I'm check-folding. He's 17/16 and you don't have enough hands yet to know if the highish 3bet is significant, so I don't think he turns QQ into a bluff enough to do anything else. If we had the As I might c/c a reasonable bet to re-evaluate the river.

Hand 2: Against a nit, I don't think a 3bet pre helps - we just isolate ourself with better or stuff we flip with. After flop and turn action, I check river and just try and show it down.

Hand 3: Ugh. I think I either just station him down and feel like I made a mistake, or I fold and feel like I made a mistake. I have no idea - interested to see what others say about this one.

[caddie444]

Thanks guys, I'll wait for a few more insights before I post results, would like to hear more opinions on hand #1 and #3

[caddie444]

Anyone else care to comment?

[Pelion]

[disclaimer - 6 max player grunching]

Hand 1) The only flush I think is a possibility is AQs and I also think it's very difficult for him to have sets here. I doubt he 3bets 33/88 vs an UTG raiser and even TT is fairly likely to be a call pre.

When he calls flop, I'd expect something like TT+, and strong overcards with draws/backdoors like AsK, AKs, AQss.

When we bet the Ks turn and he shoves, I would put him on something like TT, KK, AsK, AQs which would give us 25% equity as pretty much a worst case scenario.

If we bet half pot on turn and he shoves, we will be calling off around 20 into 90 and needing only 20% equity so I think b/f is out.

On top of that, he could also conceivably have other weaker AK and perhaps something like QsQ which would put us close to 50% equity. For that reason, I think we need to just b/c and expect to lose fairly often when he shoves, but for him to be able to call worse.

I don't think this is a spot we want to be giving free cards. I thought about crai if he floats a lot with Asx, but I think it's too risky that he checks back with lots of equity.

Hand 2) I probably call pre. If I am on the button I definitely call. If he opens wider I probably 3bet in the blinds.

I think it's played fine until river. I'd make it more like $2.50-$3.00 on the river. I think this gets called as often as smaller bets by single pairs, and gets raised less often by air.

Hand 3) If he is opening this wide then I'd probably 3bet pre. As played, it would be really helpful to know how aggro he is postflop. With no info I think it's close between call and raise flop, but I think call is ok.

That said, we certainly aren't loving this turn and we need to fold lots of scary rivers. His range is probably made up of very strong value hands (with 99 being at the bottom of them), and most of the combinations of sets/straights/2pairs balanced by FD and pair+SD bluffs. I don't think there are many river cards that will give us more than 50% equity and a 9 or T should kill our action. If he is going to barrel a lot on the river it might just be better to fold now.

[kickass]

^^well done good analysis^^
hand 2 tho looks fine as played to me i might chk call as i expect most things that can call a bet to bet themselves + bluffs

[griffey24]

Hand 1 - Bet flop harder and jam turn. Or bet flop smaller and go 3 streets. But you've picked an in between bad size on the flop.

hand 2 - not a ton of hands that can call you (you have no air), i'd bet like $1.25

hand 3 - easy turn call, see a river.

[caddie444]

Alright thanks a lot for the input guys.

Results:

Hand 1) I agree sizing was bad. I c/f'd when he bet $18

Hand 2) he snapped AQ

Hand 3) I called turn, river was K hearts, he bet I folded

[griffey24]

Hand 3) If he is opening this wide then I'd probably 3bet pre. As played, it would be really helpful to know how aggro he is postflop. With no info I think it's close between call and raise flop, but I think call is ok.

That said, we certainly aren't loving this turn and we need to fold lots of scary rivers. His range is probably made up of very strong value hands (with 99 being at the bottom of them), and most of the combinations of sets/straights/2pairs balanced by FD and pair+SD bluffs. I don't think there are many river cards that will give us more than 50% equity and a 9 or T should kill our action. If he is going to barrel a lot on the river it might just be better to fold now.

Villain is 33/20 or something with a 30% EP open in Hand 3. We see a turn card that is an under card to our overpair AND gives us a gutshot if we're behind, and you don't love this turn card?

I'm all for letting ppl barrel off UTG when in their mind they are "omg so strong, from UTG", but really they are opening pretty wide for EP. Sure this can be a sample size issue, but 30% is a fair bit regardless.

[Pelion]

When he is raising 22% total preflop, I highly doubt he actually has a 30% range UTG. I would be far more inclined to think he has run well for the ~16 UTG hands he has played so far. It's very easy for that 5/16 hands raised to turn into 2 or 3 / 16 with a slightly different run of luck.

Rather than rely on the individual position stats (which I do display on my HUD) I would first look at this guys steal stat vs PFR to make a judgement of how positionally aware he is, and then put him on an UTG range of around 15-20% if his steal is high. All of this gets much easier if we have ever seen him show down anything in the 100 hands we have been playing him.

When you are calling down, what do you expect him to have? Do you think he will 3 barrel A8? AK? I think reads are really important here, and I think we are probably playing too many tables if we have none on a guy who is this active after 100 hands. My general feeling is that it seems quite difficult to triple barrel this kind of board light, especially OOP, since we will have so many 2pairs/straights by the river. I would expect him to give up at some point with AK, and to pot control A8/99 somewhere too.