TPTK on monoflop

[BorisTheSpider]

Only 60ish hands, but villain looks like an aggro-fish so far - 31/23 with 14% 3bet.

On second thoughts, I feel like I should have donked the flop, but as played, what now?


Poker Stars, $0.10/$0.25 No Limit Hold'em Cash, 6 Players
Poker Tools Powered By Holdem Manager - The Ultimate Poker Software Suite.

BTN: $38.91 (155.6 bb)
SB: $38.83 (155.3 bb)
Hero (BB): $29.13 (116.5 bb)
UTG: $29.63 (118.5 bb)
MP: $12.50 (50 bb)
CO: $56.53 (226.1 bb)

Preflop: Hero is BB with A Q
2 folds, CO raises to $0.60, BTN calls $0.60, SB folds, Hero calls $0.35

Flop: ($1.90) Q 4 2 (3 players)
Hero checks, CO checks, BTN bets $1.25

[MadMojoMonkey]

3-bet PRE.

OTF: Call. If CO c/r, then must fold... so that sucks. I kind of want to raise, but I think too many semi-bluff 3-bets are going to happen that make me fold.

OTT: Donk non-diamond turns to prevent free cards on a flop semi-bluff.

[BorisTheSpider]

Yeah sorry should have mentioned the reason for not 3betting pre - both had high fold to 3bet stats (65%+) and I wanted the fish to stay in. Now all that said, I think maybe I should have just 3bet anyway, as it would reduce my positional disadvantage, but at the time I wanted to keep their ranges wider and keep the fish along.

I like calling to donk non-diamond turns.

[abelardx]

I would play this postflop a lot like the AK hand you posted. Our hand is too good to fold, but betting or raising is value-cutting ourselves, and we certainly don't want to go all the way with it. So that puts me in check/call mode, expecting villain to slow up on the turn when we're good, folding if he bets a diamond, and it's close between betting or check/calling the river if no more diamonds come and he checks back the turn. OOP I'd probably bet.

I like flatting with AQ in the blinds though. We're far enough ahead of his range to call, and I prefer to 3bet a more polarized range, calling with hands like AQ and TT.

[griffey24]

Too strong to c/f.
Too weak to c/r....

[rpm]

could probably 3bet this pre for value, no? i'd rather lead this flop than check, but as played i guess i C/C

edit: just read the thread and noticed you had reasons for not 3betting. i still think we probably actually could 3b for value but you'd know how the games play better than i do

[d0zer]

Yeah sorry should have mentioned the reason for not 3betting pre - both had high fold to 3bet stats (65%+) and I wanted the fish to stay in. Now all that said, I think maybe I should have just 3bet anyway, as it would reduce my positional disadvantage, but at the time I wanted to keep their ranges wider and keep the fish along.

I like calling to donk non-diamond turns.

65% is not really that high of a fold to 3bet %, and you've also got to remember that in LP wars, people call 3bets lighter and isolating the fish has tons of value.

[BorisTheSpider]

i still think we probably actually could 3b for value but you'd know how the games play better than i do

I think you're probably right that I could 3bet it. I do think it's a little marginal, but as d0zer pointed out people also call so much wider when everyone involved is LP.

[Pelion]

Easy 3bet pre for value and because our hand is going to play horribly 3-way OOP. You have 60 hands on fish. How many of those do you think he was faced with calling a 3bet preflop. What confidence can you give for his fold to 3bet being higher than 65%?

(It would actually be a good idea to go away and work out how many hands he has raised preflop/ how many of those you think he has faced a 3bet / how many of those you think he has folded - this shouldn't take more than 5 minutes and will give you an idea of how long some of these stats take to converge)

Whether or not you donk the flop entirely depends on how often you think the PFR will cbet. Far too many players at this level cbet close to 100%, in which case c/c is better. If he has a high cbet, he probably checks the turn a lot though so I agree that donking lots of turns is probably the way to go.