[25NL] - KJs 3bet pot line check

[ST3]

Villian is pretty much unknown as I've just moved back to 6max but he's hidden on stars & over 100bb deep so I assume he isn't a recreational player.

I think 3betting here is fine preflop, when he raises flop I think his range is bluff heavy. I don't know if he's raising AA/AK here but we have a blocker to AK and in my opinion raising AA there would be a mistake.

I plan to c/c a lot of turns and if he shoves river I think I can fold, giving him credit for aces played weirdly or more likely a set.

Poker Stars Zoom, $0.10/$0.25 No Limit Hold'em Cash, 6 Players
Poker Tools Powered By Holdem Manager - The Ultimate Poker Software Suite.

BTN: $11.62 (46.5 bb)
Hero (SB): $32.72 (130.9 bb)
BB: $14.72 (58.9 bb)
UTG: $25.32 (101.3 bb)
MP: $14.05 (56.2 bb)
CO: $44.80 (179.2 bb)

Preflop: Hero is SB with J K
2 folds, CO raises to $0.75, BTN folds, Hero raises to $2.25, BB folds, CO calls $1.50

Flop: ($4.75) 3 7 K (2 players)
Hero bets $2.50, CO raises to $6, Hero calls $3.50

Turn: ($16.75) 8 (2 players)
Hero checks, CO bets $12, Hero calls $12

River: ($40.75) 3 (2 players)
Hero plans to c/f if villian shoves

[BorisTheSpider]

When he raises the flop, I think you've got to decide whether to commit to the hand. If you think he's raising a lot of air, I'm not sure whether it's best to station him down when he barrels off, or b/f the turn and avoid making a big mistake calling the turn and river.

I don't like calling the turn to then c/f river.

With so little behind on the river relative to the pot, I don't like folding, but I don't see what else you can do.

[ST3]

When he raises the flop, I think you've got to decide whether to commit to the hand. If you think he's raising a lot of air, I'm not sure whether it's best to station him down when he barrels off, or b/f the turn and avoid making a big mistake calling the turn and river.

I don't like calling the turn to then c/f river.

With so little behind on the river relative to the pot, I don't like folding, but I don't see what else you can do.

Why would you b/f the turn? that allows him to fold his bluffing range on the turn and continue with stronger hands.

If the river didn't pair the flop then I'm happier calling it off but it's is a bad river for bluffing since it reduces the number of sets he can rep imo.

[Pelion]

When he raises the flop, I think you've got to decide whether to commit to the hand.

Why? We gain extra information with every street.

This is a really dry flop and it's rare that a free river will lose us the lead. I can't see a single reason why b/f any part of our range on the turn could possibly be better than c/c (and c/f some hands). We spend exactly the same when villain flats or raises the nuts and we split his air into hands that give us no extra money when they fold, and hands that stop us hitting a third K on the river when they bluff raise and we fold.

[griffey24]

I've seen this a few times now in posts, but what's with the small 3b sizing OOP?

I'm going 3x PFR's open IP and ~4x OOP. So I'd probably go around $2.75-$3 here. It's not like we generally WANT to get called that often and have to play a big pot OOP.

Case in point, this hand.

I think calling here and c/f river seems fine with no draws on the flop.

[ST3]

I've seen this a few times now in posts, but what's with the small 3b sizing OOP?

I'm going 3x PFR's open IP and ~4x OOP. So I'd probably go around $2.75-$3 here. It's not like we generally WANT to get called that often and have to play a big pot OOP.

Case in point, this hand.

I think calling here and c/f river seems fine with no draws on the flop.

TBH I've just started playing again after a long break and have watched a bunch of study videos where people seem to be 3betting 3x OOP and as small as 2.5x IP. I was under the impression 3x IP and 4x OOP is kind of "old school" 3bet sizing, would you be making these raise sizes as standard Griffey?

[griffey24]

I mean, with these sizings, villain has to call $1.50 and there is about $30 behind still. So he's getting perfect odds to call all of his pairs. So not only will we be OOP in these hands, but we've sized it such that all of his pairs can set-hunt which also means he's calling all of his pairs (so our 3b itself, has less fold equity. Not even getting folds from low pairs).

Even with 100bb stacks and this 3b sizing, most villains might set hunt here with reasonable effective stacks behind (about 15-16x).

Maybe I'm stuck in my old ways, but I'm loving someone 3b small OOP. Gives me better odds to call pre and also let's me 4b smaller.

In my games, at 1/2 or 2/4 if someone min opens to 2bb on btn, I would make it 8bb OOP, or if they open 2.5bb on btn I might make it 8.75-9.25bb OOP.

[STILL_mkd]

You didn't have to make re-raise before the flop, maybe it was be better if you only made a call.
My opinion is that he has AK, KQ, or maybe he has full house 77s with 33s but I don't believe very much in that hand. I don't think that he has full house, because he made raise of $12 after your check on the turn, and nobody want to expelled his opponent if he has very strong hand. So I put him on AK or KQ. However in this situation folding on the river is the only and correct option.

[abelardx]

When he raises the flop his range is polarized. When he continues betting the turn I think he has you beat. I'd fold the turn. As far as 3betting preflop I like calling suited broadway because it's crushing button's range with top pair and nut potential but it's at best OK against villain's 3bet calling range probably. But if you're going to 3bet make it at least 10bb when oop. It needs to be bigger than 2:1 oop.

edit: obv not 10% of eff stack if deep