Not So Vanilla Werewolf Diffusion

[OngBonga]

There's just no need to respond to each post individually after 1 page, there's very little info to go by and so the only reason I can think for daven's flurry is to make it look like he's hunting, remind everyone indirectly that he's a good person to keep around because look at me reading all the thread and taking notes.

[daven]

There's just no need to respond to each post individually after 1 page, there's very little info to go by and so the only reason I can think for daven's flurry is to make it look like he's hunting, remind everyone indirectly that he's a good person to keep around because look at me reading all the thread and taking notes.

i'm not taking notes, I was simply reading through and responding as i went. As i indicated in the signup thread i'm going to be at least largely afk for three days of this game (wed/thur/fri kiwi time) = i'm actually not a bad fallback lynch if the village can't figure out a better option. I hadn't read the linked info on mafia and i thought i had genuinely caught a wolfish comment from rong based on how i thought the game worked.

I think the post from keith stating that he thought bid wasn't playing was worth highlighting, it's legit info and highlighting that makes sense to me.

The more i think about it, the more i think that there is value in the night one angel outing (if there is one), that allows the night one seer (if there is one) to also safely out - how is that not useful. If there is no night one seer then the night one angel can simply protect themselves = they get to play optimally => either protect a seer or themselves. Yeah, ong, you are wolf.

[OngBonga]

What do you think about the idea of hte night one angel outing?

It tells the wolves who not to nom.

[daven]

It tells the wolves who not to nom.

given that we don't know if there is a night 1 seer this isn't such a problem..

[OngBonga]

given that we don't know if there is a night 1 seer this isn't such a problem..

Yes it's a problem. If an angel outs, then it increases the chances of wolves hitting a seer at night. Doesn't matter if it's a n1 seer or whatever, ideally the village want the wolves to kill angels, not seers.

And what's the point of a n1 angel outing if it's not so a n1 seer can then also out and get protected?

[daven]

Yes it's a problem. If an angel outs, then it increases the chances of wolves hitting a seer at night. Doesn't matter if it's a n1 seer or whatever, ideally the village want the wolves to kill angels, not seers.

And what's the point of a n1 angel outing if it's not so a n1 seer can then also out and get protected?

night one seer can't out without knowing there is a night one angel
that's why i suggested night one angel outs first
make sense?
then again, there's a pretty low chance that the wolf will actually hit the night one seer cos lol-probability, so maybe this plan becomes more useful on later days.

[Keith]

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i'll need to think more on the night 1 angel outing. Interesting points you raise here. I still think there are benefits to be had from it though. I mean, if someone is say night 4 seer then they are not that likely to make it to endgame anyway, so it's not such a problem if they get nommed right? or maybe? hmm, like i said, gotta think more about this

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night one seer can't out without knowing there is a night one angel
that's why i suggested night one angel outs first
make sense?
then again, there's a pretty low chance that the wolf will actually hit the night one seer cos lol-probability, so maybe this plan becomes more useful on later days.

I don't see the point that Daven is trying to make here. I don't see how angel and/or seer outing benefits the village at all so why even suggestit. I can see how it could benefit wolves to fake claim angel and/or seer then reveal another wolfor even a villager to gain credibility and explain why they weren't targetted by the wolves.Could the argument that daven was having with Ong have been staged to set up these sort of claims.
I particularly don't like the fact that ong is now suggesting that we have to decide whether or not to lynch him before his lookup. I think its irrelevent as he agreed with my suggestion that ONG should definitely be tomorrows lynch to see if we could trust his lookup.
Also Ong was stating that people forced to out shouldn't reveal when they should act then puts himself as the n1 seer.I'm staying on Daven as he does not strike me as a villager the way he is acting and his suggestions seem to benefit the wolves more than the village.

[OngBonga]

obv I missed you last post before my one above, so don't feel obliged to respond again daven.

[OngBonga]

Another thing - angels who have burned their power should not out themselves, it will hurt town badly because it tells the wolves not to nom you, and will get you serious heat because it could be a wolf bullshitting to not look suspicious that he's not getting nommed. So spent angels should play a strong villager game in an effort to draw the wolf nom.

[OngBonga]

that's why i suggested night one angel outs first

It definitely helps the wolves, and the benefit to town is minimal and not guaranteed. So no, n1 angel should definitely not out imo. No-one should out unless they have info, or they are likely to be lynched. That's the only reason people should out imo. And if someone is forced to claim due to lynch threat, either lie about what night your action is, or better still say nothing about it.