Not So Vanilla Werewolf Diffusion

[rong]

rescind

Lunch jyms

I prefer jyms to Daven

[wufwugy]

But day 1 hadn't even ended yet.

it was an extended day

ur right though. any modkill shouldnt have happened until day 1 was over

[Keith]

hmmmm

Then why are you following gabe...

This is going to be one of those games. Im not hand holding again, that ship sailed. But cmoooooooooooooooooooooon, we arent learning anything from anybody by just tossing votes to potential unknowns. No matter if gabe is right or wrong, I learn jack about you because you didnt vote rong for a real reason.

for someone who needs reasons for votes to learn about others why shouldn't it apply to you.

Im game. Ive never been right about jyms in the past anyway.

rescind, lynch vancejack

no reasons given but now you're snap jumping onto someone you were happy to get off earlier and conveniently brings the lynch to a head to head with rong following you

rescind, lynch jyms

Jyms or jack plz. Fuck lynching daven, fuck lynching ong.

Hey, ho, lets go.

[Keith]

Im game. Ive never been right about jyms in the past anyway.

rescind, lynch vancejack

Then why are you following gabe...

This is going to be one of those games. Im not hand holding again, that ship sailed. But cmoooooooooooooooooooooon, we arent learning anything from anybody by just tossing votes to potential unknowns. No matter if gabe is right or wrong, I learn jack about you because you didnt vote rong for a real reason.

in fact looking at that first quote in the previous post. This is a new type of game for many of us. why wouldn't villager JKDS want to help his team out with some strategy posts. He has been noticeably absent when scanning through the pages and isn't giving reasons for his lynches.

[Keith]

damned multi quote ^

[bigred]

I'm staying with Daven due as I fear Daven wolf more than jyms wolf based on the last two games.

[wufwugy]

tied at 5 to 5 with daven in the lead

[JKDS]

I lynched JV because Post 255. I lynched Jyms because theres 2 hours left, jack isnt dying, and I still think he is wolfy from his p1 and 2 posts.

Regarding handholding, I was referring to a game that I'm not sure you were in. In it I spent a ridiculous amount of time rallying the village into playing day 1 optimally, and the result was Ongbonga gave away most of his team. We, as a playerbase, didnt learn from this. That doesnt bother me, but I wouldnt have done it had I known there would be no impact on future games. I see no reason to believe doing it again would obtain a different result.

As for strategy, I charge $15/hr. Paypal only. The only information we needed for this set up was the warning of fake claims because of how prevalent they are; but I see no reason to invest more time than I already have on that subject considering ong beat the topic to death. Further, Idk why anyone here would need help with seer or angel strategy, and openly telling everyone how to act helps the wolves at night. There isnt anything else to discuss.

[jyms]

Recind, Lynch daven

Gator is still a wolf

[Luco]

Again rubbish, ong dies and we find out if he is village or not, we don't risk any potential seers or angels and then based on knowing ongs role then we can take a decision on whether to lynch whoever he looks up and what he claims they are.

Also , if ong survives the night and shows up wolf if he's lynched and i get eaten , look carefully at the people who have been pointing at me ....gabe luco and rong. I've already shown that i'm not going to let ong get away without being lynched tomorrow . is this thwarting the wolves plan and would try to get rid of me so that wolf ong could bring a wolf found report back tomorrow and try and survive a lynch by getting a fellow wolf killed and gain village cred as a result.

I disagree that wolf ong would pull a wolf report on a fellow wolf, he'd know he's a likely seer target tonight so that would give us two for one

[Luco]

hmmmm



for someone who needs reasons for votes to learn about others why shouldn't it apply to you.


no reasons given but now you're snap jumping onto someone you were happy to get off earlier and conveniently brings the lynch to a head to head with rong following you

I like this. Also, I noted earlier how quick he jumped on JV when jyms/daven were tied and now he's settled on jyms. hmmm...

rescind jyms, lynch daven

[JKDS]

I think JV and Jyms are wolves, therefore I voted them. I dont see whats hard to understand here.

[gabe]

I think JV and Jyms are wolves, therefore I voted them. I dont see whats hard to understand here.

This is going to be one of those games. Im not hand holding again, that ship sailed. But cmoooooooooooooooooooooon, we arent learning anything from anybody by just tossing votes to potential unknowns. No matter if ong is right or wrong, I learn jack about you because you didnt vote jyms/jv for a real reason.

[gabe]

I'm ready to see what the night brings

angel be smart. seer dont be dumb

[JKDS]

Cute. If you'd like to discuss why I think JV is wolfy, I'm here.

[gabe]

verdict please

edit: thanks jkds

[wufwugy]

Sorry guise I had to go out right before the deadline. Back noah tho! Yippeee

Teh Living

jkds
ong
rong
jv
gator
jums
bid
bigred
luco
hoop
gabe
keith

Teh Dead

ur mom
daven: village seer

Teh Village

9 villagers (seers/angels)
3 wolves

'Tis nighttime. All players with night 1 powers have till 2PM PST tomorrow (22:23 from now) to send me your wishes. Talk all you want during the night. Bold people for all I care even though they won't count

[gabe]

bah I hope daven wasn't n1 seer waiting to out tomorrow

[bigred]

Nah, he would have outed.

Back to the drawing board...

[BankItDrew]

Nice job you guise!!!




Players who lynched daven: (in order of lynch)
keith
bigred
jv
gabe
gator
jyms
Luco

I think it's more likely wolves are in the 2nd half of this group than in the first.

My top 3 wolves though are in the middle with:

bigred
jv
gabe

It's important to note that ong, who we planned on lynching day 2, did not cast his final vote for daven. ong ended with a vote against rong, whom he gets into these arguments with quite often.

I'd like to hear more from hoopy, and keith never answered my question from earlier.

LET'S DO THIS THING!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[BankItDrew]

It's nearly impossible that all three of my wolf pics are correct because the entire wolf den would vote like these three players did.

[BankItDrew]

would not*

[Hoopy]

Well tbh I didn't really think we'd snag a wolf today, none of the potential targets had a solid case against them.

I'm going to review daven's posts.

[bigred]

Nice job you guise!!!



Players who lynched daven: (in order of lynch)
keith
bigred
jv
gabe
gator
jyms
Luco

I think it's more likely wolves are in the 2nd half of this group than in the first.

My top 3 wolves though are in the middle with:

bigred
jv
gabe

Clarify your definition of middle for me please...

[OngBonga]

So we know daven is a villager. We also know that bigred voted for him based on his "looking casual" or whatever, I followed suit, and jack jumped on quickly agreeing with me (and notably not bigred). I dropped daven like a hot potato and bigred considers this to be evidence against me, so he votes for me. Later I'm forced to claim, and bigred and jack both move back onto daven, despite them not believing my claim, and with no regard to the fact I was after daven at one point. So they think I'm a wolf, yet they both move their vote back to the person they voted for along with me when they realise that I'm no longer a viable lynch. Why, if they think I'm a wolf, would they still think daven is one? They're not thinking like villagers who adjust their reads based on interactions, they are acting like wolves who are happy to put their vote on whoever isn't a wolf.

bigred and jack are wolves guys. I'm so sure of it that I very much doubt I'll make it through the night.

[jackvance]

I hope you did look me up ong, and you'll see I'm actually a villager.

[OngBonga]

Hoopy is looking a little dodgy right now. Stuff like "I'm going to review daven's posts" is typical of the kind of things hoopy wolf says to give the impression he's working for the village. But then again I realise that hoopy has a habit of looking wolfy when he's not, so I'm not nearly as sure about him as bigred and jack.

I'm certainly thinking it's jack and bigred, with one of hoopy jyms or rong.

[OngBonga]

I hope you did look me up ong, and you'll see I'm actually a villager.

Bit late to pretend to be happy about me looking you up jack. Had you given me that impression during the day, and notably before I pointed out that you didn't seem thrilled about my claim, I might have thought I was wrong. But here you are, near the end of n1, hoping you got looked up.

[jackvance]

This does show ong is a villager most likely, a wolf isn't going to go so strong on something he knows is false. And about bigred since you asked: he is leaning villager for me, based on how he played villager the past few games and the contents of his posts.

[bigred]

Wuf,

When a seer looks up a villager, what information is revealed?

[BankItDrew]

Ong said this:

bigred and jack are wolves guys. I'm so sure of it that I very much doubt I'll make it through the night.

These two are at the top of my list as well. I'll be pushing for them in the coming days.

If either of us are nommed, take a hard look at these two.

[OngBonga]

Don't worry bigred, if I find out you're a seer or angel, I'll just say villager.

[BankItDrew]

Wuf,

When a seer looks up a villager, what information is revealed?

This.

However, don't be shocked if wif is all "sorry guise, I was blah blah blah...", again.

[BankItDrew]

I'd like to edit my last post by deleting it. Completely misread it.

[jackvance]

Ai ai this game is going to go badly for the village. If you guys keep thinking I'm a wolf this will give the wolves an easy day tomorrow and then afterwards shift the blame on the villagers that lead the charge.

[BankItDrew]

If you're a wolf and we listen to you for the rest of the game, the village is doomed.

I'd like more of a reason not to get rid of you than "if you're wrong, uh oh".

[OngBonga]

Ai ai this game is going to go badly for the village. If you guys keep thinking I'm a wolf this will give the wolves an easy day tomorrow and then afterwards shift the blame on the villagers that lead the charge.

Why would the village keep thinking you're a wolf? Oh that's right, because you don't expect the n1 seer to clear you tomorrow.

[jackvance]

The reason: I'm a villager?

[jackvance]

Why would the village keep thinking you're a wolf? Oh that's right, because you don't expect the n1 seer to clear you tomorrow.

Well I was counting on you looking me up but then you said this:

Don't worry bigred, if I find out you're a seer or angel, I'll just say villager.

[OngBonga]

The reason: I'm a villager?

Well then you have nothing to worry about, right?

[OngBonga]

I haven't tossed a coin yet jack.

[jackvance]

Well then you have nothing to worry about, right?

Not if you actually look me up no.

[jackvance]

It's BID showing the crazy eyes that worries me. I'm mostly still wondering if any wolves have hopped on my train yet (BID, JKDS) or if they're villagers.

[BankItDrew]

I'm a villager who players are going to think:

1) ZOMG he soulread this game MVP!
2) LAWL bid being bid and lynching villagers again
3) HAHAHA bid totally binked wolves like the lucknox he is

2/3 ain't bad

Looks like it's +ev to get on my side. Math wins. Again.

[JKDS]

I like this BID

[bigred]

Ong gonna ong. BID gonna ong.

[OngBonga]

Get bigred, all active on day one. Am I dead yet bigwolf?

[OngBonga]

IRL coinflip - heads

[wufwugy]

Wolfies kill teh JV

Teh Living

jkds
ong
rong
gator
jums
bid
bigred
luco
hoop
gabe
keith

Teh Dead

ur mom
daven: village seer
jv: village seer

Teh Village

8 villagers (seers/angels)
3 wolves

Day 2 now, which will end at 2PM PST Monday (four days from now). 6 to lynch

[wufwugy]

a seer lookup will only say "village seer" or "village angel", just like the deaths

[BankItDrew]

Interesting that jv got nommed after the heat he recently started receiving.

[BankItDrew]

Could be a ploy to frame me to get off of gabe and bigreds case...

[BankItDrew]

Yup. I'm getting framed. I'm the only player who voted for JV to be lynched.

Although, if I'm way off base (and I was with jv), it would be in the best interest for the wolves to keep me around. Which is why I think I'm right about gabe/bigred.

[gabe]

dont make this about yourself


so would ong think this is a good strategy or not as a wolf? if so then its pretty crazy

speak up ong

[BankItDrew]

dont make this about yourself

I sense a hint of egotism in this comment.

If you were the only person who voted for jv, I'd be wondering if your vote had anything to do with it.

This game is about finding connections and logical arguments towards making correct decisions. Just the mere fact that I suggest jv's nomming had something to do with my thought direction may in the very least bring reactions from other players. This is good, no?

[BankItDrew]

gabe's attempt at shutting me up just reinforces my soul-read from day one that this guy needs to be gone.

[BankItDrew]

lynch gabe

[JKDS]

I dont think I know how to read people anymore. Except for gator from last game, ive been nothing but wrong for awhile.

He should have gotten some cool info from wuf though. Ong might be able to clear himself if he can tell someone their role and that person agrees. om not sure I like that idea though. 1) if he says angel, that Power has a higher chance of being right if hes just bullshitting as a wolf. with 2 seers dead, wolf ong knows that either the remaining pool is 4 angel 4 seer, or 5/3 or 6/2, so angel is a safe bet. but, 2) if he says seer, im not sure I want the wolves knowing who an active seer is. So idk.

The cost is too great I think. dont reveal roles ong/seers. If their power is used up and they out, then it makes sense.

[JKDS]

dont make this about yourself


so would ong think this is a good strategy or not as a wolf? if so then its pretty crazy

speak up ong

Idk. Diffusion doesnt normally give power info to seers, so its possible he didnt know that when he claimed n1 seer. If ong isnt legit, he could have done this to avoid having to guess at a villager jv's role.

I still think hes a villager though, and the above seems pretty convoluted.

[OngBonga]

I'm a n1 angel. I self protected and tried to get nommed. I failed. I thought jack was a wolf so I went with it.

Just lynch me.

[OngBonga]

They obviously killed jack because they thought I was going to clear him. So at least they believed me. Probably should've faked a guilty on bigred to see what happens but I think enough fucking about, we got two seers dead and I'm gonna take the fall.

ftr I have a much more awesome wolf strategy for this than the one I would be playing if I'm a wolf. If I were a wolf you'd all think I was a cleared villager by now. So the fact I'm looking fucked should suggest strongly that I'm a villager who got me a dose of SDM syndrome.

[gabe]

so if u thought all that stuff you could have protected JV

[OngBonga]

I could've if I actually thought he was a villager. I might even had done so if I considered they'd nom him. Whatever, my FPS fucked up and I'm not going to fight lynch because I haven't a leg to stand on. My only defence is this is way too retarded for me to do as a wolf.

[gabe]

cant argue with that!

lynch gator

to me hes just going along with things and hes not connected to the ong whirlwind that blew through the last few pages

bold i think are villagers:

jkds
ong
rong
gator
jums
bid
bigred
luco
hoop
gabe
keith

[gabe]

rong bigred and hoopy i think arent very wolfy but they could be...

[gabe]

we gotta use the catch and release system in a game where outing should be frequent. we can gather all the information this way

[JKDS]

Add Bigred, and I agree with Gabe's villager list. I feel strongest about BID and Ong. Other than that, I dont feel comfortable voting anyone until I get the chance to dig into the thread tomorrow afternoon.

[JKDS]

What is the catch and release system?

[BankItDrew]

What is the catch and release system?

+1

[gabe]

run a train on someone and see if they out


everyone just waiting around for other people to convince them who to vote for isnt going to catch us up. all aboard the gator train

[gabe]

i dont know why i called it catch and release. i was maybe hoping people would just guess right so its not spelled out for the wolves, so they cant easily devise a counter-strat

[jyms]

jums

I've been called a lot of things, but this is new.

[wufwugy]

my mission in life is to get everybody to call you jums

can't take it too far though because then people's names be ungbunga, gube, and bugrud

[Hoopy]

Ugggghhhh now what do we do about Ong? Both people he argued heavily with (JV & daven) are dead villagers, those arguments look like villager on villager so this kind gives him some villager points. But now he's saying he's actually the N1 angel, wtf?

[Hoopy]

I'm a n1 angel. I self protected and tried to get nommed. I failed. I thought jack was a wolf so I went with it.

Just lynch me.

The simplest explanation is that Ong is just a villager who tried to make a play but it backfired. Occam's razor and all that.