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 Originally Posted by surviva316
No we can't. This is utter sophistry.
I guess I'm curious where you think ownership lies. Marx and Lenin believed ownership lay more in the hands in the laborers than in the managers and they wanted the state to enforce that. Even though I don't disagree with the idea that ownerships of product creation may lay more in the hands of laborers than managers, that doesn't mean that I think the state can create policy to effectively address this. On the contrary, I think the idea is most effectively addressed by capitalism. In capitalism, laborers far more appropriately reap what they sow. This sort of thing may have seemed far-fetched in the early years of the industrial revolution, but today we live in a time where the true limiting factor to somebody's success is themselves
At least in capitalism, value is applied to a laborer's labor, and ownership of product can grow from there. Socialism never sets value in a sustainable way, which is why it has yet to be sustained
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