5€ overpair vs complicated river

[Shizu]

Villan is the usual microretard. Sample is 40ish hands.
VP 59
PFR 8
3bet 0 (0/12)
fold to flop c-bet 0 (0/5)
agg frequency 30


OnGame - €0.05 NL (6 max) - Holdem - 6 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 3

UTG: €3.52
MP: €4.85
Hero (CO): €4.92
BTN: €13.25
SB: €2.18
BB: €3.06

SB posts SB €0.02, BB posts BB €0.05

Pre Flop: (€0.07) Hero has Q Q

UTG calls €0.05, MP calls €0.05, Hero raises to €0.25, fold, fold, fold, UTG calls €0.20, fold

Flop: (€0.62, 2 players) 3 T 4
UTG checks, Hero bets €0.46, UTG calls €0.46

Turn: (€1.54, 2 players) 2
UTG checks, Hero bets €1.10, UTG calls €1.10

River: (€3.74, 2 players) T
UTG bets €1.30, Hero?


The river is terrible and this is the kind of retard who never folds if he's chasing anything, no matter the odds.
So the river aggression stinks a lot.

Is this an auto-fold?

[Micro2Macro]

call. a5/65 missed, 4x/3x/A2 can potentially block bet this size

wouldn't even be surprised to see AK play like this sometimes.

you can fold vs a larger bet size but with this price call

[griffey24]

call. a5/65 missed, 4x/3x/A2 can potentially block bet this size

wouldn't even be surprised to see AK play like this sometimes.

you can fold vs a larger bet size but with this price call

A5/65 both hit on the turn

That being said, given the price I would have a hard time folding. Wouldn't be surprised to see a block from like 66-99 type ting either.

[The Bean Counter]

Is this an auto-fold?

Always worth calculating how often you need to be good in these river spots and then comparing with a plausible range for villain using a program like Equilab. Once you do this, you'll realise that a call is going to be fine often enough on this particular board.

[Shizu]

Thanks for the input.
Full hand:

OnGame - €0.05 NL (6 max) - Holdem - 6 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 3

UTG: €3.52
MP: €4.85
Hero (CO): €4.92
BTN: €13.25
SB: €2.18
BB: €3.06

SB posts SB €0.02, BB posts BB €0.05

Pre Flop: (€0.07) Hero has Q Q

UTG calls €0.05, MP calls €0.05, Hero raises to €0.25, fold, fold, fold, UTG calls €0.20, fold

Flop: (€0.62, 2 players) 3 T 4
UTG checks, Hero bets €0.46, UTG calls €0.46

Turn: (€1.54, 2 players) 2
UTG checks, Hero bets €1.10, UTG calls €1.10

River: (€3.74, 2 players) T
UTG bets €1.30, Hero raises to €2.60, UTG calls €0.41 and is all-in

UTG shows T 8 (Three of a Kind, Tens) (Pre 16%, Flop 22%, Turn 11%)
Hero shows Q Q (Two Pair, Queens and Tens) (Pre 84%, Flop 78%, Turn 89%)
UTG wins €6.72


I raised to get his last 0.41€ in the pot.

And yes, I need to start working on villains' ranges.

[MadMojoMonkey]

Never post hand results.
You've effectively closed this conversation before other people had a chance to get involved.

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Personally, I was going to say that the analysis in this hand seems to be on the strong side for a player whose read is "Villan is the usual microretard".
On Bovada 5NL, this is a super-easy fold. No Villain donks the river into a TAG opponent unless they (the donk) think they have the nuts, or have been "trapping" you.

So my assumption is that 5 euro play on your site is like $5 play on Bovada.... which is random and unjustified on my part, but there is no data in the OP to give me any other opinion.

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THINK ABOUT RANGES WHEN YOU STUDY.

Sorry for caps lock... it was stuck for a second there.

When you are in the game, you can be happy with soft ranges. E.g. you may think to yourself,
"He looks like he's chasing something here so I don't think he has a set. He could have a FD, or SD, or mid/low pair - maybe TP w/ weak kicker"
That's a great read in the flow of a micro-stakes game. You're pressed for a quick decision and so a quick analysis is in order.

When you look back over the hand, though, you have the time to guess concrete ranges to connect with those soft reads.

Use those ranges with a program like Equilab to calculate your equity. Read Spoonitnow's many posts on how to do EV calculations, or ask me directly. I'm always happy to do some math... just ask around, lol.

More than anything, though: KEEP POSTING HANDS.

There it goes again.

[Shizu]

I think I'm doing decently with what you called 'soft ranges', at least for this level.
But the following study/theory is severely lacking. Mostly because I'm still treating poker like a videogame, with the added benefit of maybe, eventually, in a distant future, providing some extra €€€.
With some study I could definitely see myself withdrawing a couple hundred €/month in a year or so.

But I'm so f'ing lazy.

And sorry about the result. I'll wait for more opinions the next time.

[MadMojoMonkey]

It doesn't have to be a long, daunting study session. Just pick one hand and think it through. Translate your soft reads into hard ranges after every one of Villain's actions.

It's all about baby stepping into something that will absolutely become 2nd nature to you, and you will consider it your most valuable tool as a poker player.

Every poker player wants to make "sick reads" and great bets. The more you practice putting your Villains on ranges, the more and more frequently you will be making the best plays.

Keep posting hands.

[MadMojoMonkey]

But I'm so f'ing lazy.

I'm calling your bluff.

Lazy people don't create an account on FTR and post hands.

[surviva316]

Villain in this hand is like a dream come true. Bet every street harder and you can have the money in by the turn. He's never folding top pair, and he'll likely chase with any decent draw. Not unusual for him to call two streets with A4, either, because clearly we have a draw.

[acg123]

Based on my recent re-introduction to $5 NLH, ive come to find that most fish at these stakes play their cards face up. By that i mean i think he x/c range is Tx,OESDs,FDs,and paint cards that can catch runner runner broadway or turn a overpair. Bet flop for value, turn for value( folding to big x/r cuz fish bet when they hit it) on river lead hes never bluffing. He put like 85% of his stack in.

I mean as long as you learn from the call this time then think of it as paying for information that will save you money in the long run