AI and the obsoletion of homo sapiens

[wufwugy]

oh god plz dont bump any of the utter trash i posted 7 years ago

[Galapogos]

oh god plz dont bump any of the utter trash i posted 7 weeks ago

You best play it safe.

[wufwugy]

You best play it safe.

too true

and i h8 u

[Jack Sawyer]

oh god plz dont bump any of the utter trash i posted 7 years ago

What, you do the

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Your stance has evolved? Is it possible this will ever apply to your libertarianism as well?

[wufwugy]

What, you do the

?

Your stance has evolved? Is it possible this will ever apply to your libertarianism as well?

Call me stupid, but don't call me incorrigible. When I'm wrong (most of the time), I want to know it.

The goal is to be like science: refine perspective to make it more accurate, not make a bunch of 180 turns. As for my libertarianism, I'd like to think it's about refinement instead of some wishy washy crapshoot. Think of this what you will

I'm just upset that those who held libertarian views and with whom I used to argue vociferously my left-wing views don't still post here, so they have no clue that debate mattered

[Renton]

Is it possible this will ever apply to your libertarianism as well?

I can't speak for wufwugy, but for me, pretty much all I do in my free time thinking about economics/politics is self-devil's-advocate for collectivism and try to figure out a way to disprove my stances on everything.

I would honestly love to hear an anti-capitalism / anti-libertarian argument that wasn't riddled with logical fallacies.

[OngBonga]

I would honestly love to hear an anti-capitalism / anti-libertarian argument that wasn't riddled with logical fallacies.

One day I'll find the words.

[MadMojoMonkey]

I hope a computer AI comes along and reminds us that we're fucking retarded because our most precious tool for problem-solving (logic) is based on illogical assumptions. Fat chance, given our current logic-based systems being quite usefully in agreement with each other. If only non-logical systems were deterministic!

I mean... from a human perspective, it seems that the "good" of logic as a thinking tool is self-evident...
However, the logician in me says that's a weak-ass statement, that is not founded in logic.
Is it appropriate to use a logical approach to justify using a logical approach?

Circular thinking abounds.

I want to know if I'm just over-thinking it, of if there's a deeper flaw in the whole "logic is good and useful" assumption.

[oskar]

I hope a computer AI comes along and reminds us that we're fucking retarded because our most precious tool for problem-solving (logic) is based on illogical assumptions. Fat chance, given our current logic-based systems being quite usefully in agreement with each other. If only non-logical systems were deterministic!

I mean... from a human perspective, it seems that the "good" of logic as a thinking tool is self-evident...
However, the logician in me says that's a weak-ass statement, that is not founded in logic.
Is it appropriate to use a logical approach to justify using a logical approach?

Circular thinking abounds.

I want to know if I'm just over-thinking it, of if there's a deeper flaw in the whole "logic is good and useful" assumption.

You're talking shit. Explain yourself.

[MadMojoMonkey]

You're talking shit. Explain yourself.

I'm probably talking shit.

I remember a creeping emptiness at one point in a philosophy class when we peered down the tunnel of:
What justifies / constitutes knowledge?

I think I was really just sarcastically saying that it will be nice when a computer can solve our philosophical dilemmas for us.

[spoonitnow]

I hope a computer AI comes along and reminds us that we're fucking retarded because our most precious tool for problem-solving (logic) is based on illogical assumptions. Fat chance, given our current logic-based systems being quite usefully in agreement with each other. If only non-logical systems were deterministic!

I mean... from a human perspective, it seems that the "good" of logic as a thinking tool is self-evident...
However, the logician in me says that's a weak-ass statement, that is not founded in logic.
Is it appropriate to use a logical approach to justify using a logical approach?

Circular thinking abounds.

I want to know if I'm just over-thinking it, of if there's a deeper flaw in the whole "logic is good and useful" assumption.

Logic can be used to prove that some solvable problems cannot be solved with logic and that some statements do not adhere to the rules of logic.

A classic example is determining if the following is true or false: This statement is false.

Not everything is true or false, etc.

[a500lbgorilla]

One day I'll find the words.

But not the ideas.

[wufwugy]

One day I'll find the words.

Libertarianism is the belief that the person who is the most affected by something is the person most affected by something.

Radical, I know.

[aubreymcfate]

oh god plz dont bump any of the utter trash i posted 7 years ago

Lol, I was really, really confused when I read your original post because I didn't realize it was from 2008 and it just felt so off to me.

Interesting that this was bumped though because I read a really interesting interview with scifi author and cyberpunk pioneer Bruce Sterling yesterday about human convergence with artificial intelligence. To sum it up, he basically says that people are hung up on imagining ways that technology can be humanized. He calls it a "metaphysical ambition." People's fundamental misunderstanding is the distinction between cognition and computation. They confuse the computer's ability to do math with thinking. We have this desire to see technologies like Siri pass the Turing Test (displaying intelligent behavior indistinguishable from human intelligence) so we can feel as though they are cognizing on our level. He says that we should instead be focusing on advancing the computational powers of something like Siri. We're missing out on the potential of technology's superior computational capacity by conflating cognition and computation.

It's short and good stuff. I've never read anything by him, but I would like to.

http://www.nextnature.net/2015/02/in...-and-machines/