2nl SNAP c/f OTR TPTK

[DJAbacus]

So, I think I should be betting more OTF and bet bigger OTT to charge any draws. I make a decision OTT to c/c any smallish bet 40% or less and fold to more is I see another spade as feel would be behind if including two pair combos and other Ax hands in their range. Follow through my plan.

I think this is WP and hopefully shows that I'm not a button clicking monkey.

Will LOL if anyone posts 'Snap Call OTR'.

888 Poker - $0.02 NL (6 max) FAST - Holdem - 6 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 4

BTN: $2.18
SB: $1.10 (VPIP: 46.15, PFR: 7.69, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 14)
Hero (BB): $2.44
UTG: $0.78 (VPIP: 50.00, PFR: 50.00, 3Bet Preflop: -, Hands: 2)
MP: $0.75 (VPIP: 30.77, PFR: 11.54, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 27)
CO: $1.25 (VPIP: 20.63, PFR: 8.06, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 66)

SB posts SB $0.01, Hero posts BB $0.02

Pre Flop: (pot: $0.03) Hero has A K

fold, fold, fold, BTN raises to $0.06, fold, Hero raises to $0.18, BTN calls $0.12

Flop: ($0.37, 2 players) 5 A 8
Hero bets $0.18, BTN calls $0.18

Turn: ($0.73, 2 players) J
Hero bets $0.58, BTN calls $0.58

River: ($1.89, 2 players) 4
Hero checks, BTN bets $1.24, fold

BTN wins $1.78

[MadMojoMonkey]

I'd rather b/f $0.60 OTR. It's 2NL. Always heavily weight the value of b/f on every street.

If 10NL or up, then x/f when the spade hits the river is probably nearly the same EV as b/f 1/3 pot.

If Villain shoves back, then it gives Hero 5:1 on a call, which is pretty tough to fold in plenty of cases. At the micros, though... TPTK is good less than 20% of the time to a river raise.

[OngBonga]

Where are button stats?

[Timlagor]

Definitely bet more on flop.
Not so sure about the Turn but it's certainly not bad.
River fold looks good to me.

...I may have to try the <P/2 bet thing.

[DJAbacus]

Definitely bet more on flop.
Not so sure about the Turn but it's certainly not bad.
River fold looks good to me.

...I may have to try the <P/2 bet thing.

As a general rule, OTF with TPTK

1) When do you value bet 90%? (possible answer: on wet boards)

2) When do you value bet 50% (possible answer: on dry boards to keep in worse pairs)

3) When do you check/call (possible answer: with monsters and dry boards)

[tiltingdonkey]

Fish or reg? station or aggro? I'd size my bet depending on these factors. b/f, x/c, or x/f river also depends on player profile.

[DJAbacus]

Fish or reg? station or aggro? I'd size my bet depending on these factors. b/f, x/c, or x/f river also depends on player profile.

If someone put a gun to your head and said.

"Give me 3 useful pieces of advice about cbet sizing OTF or I'll kill you."

What would you say?

[tiltingdonkey]

If someone put a gun to your head and said.

"Give me 3 useful pieces of advice about cbet sizing OTF or I'll kill you."

What would you say?

Well without knowing anything from villain whatever action I think should be taken will probably be wrong.

Anyway in general:
Bet bigger vs fish. Pot, 3/4, 2/3, it depends. Board texture as a deciding factor only comes into play when up against a reg. Now this info could be dangerous without actual context, disclaimer.

Edit: read some of your posts where you mentioned intentionally omitting reads and making it appear like villain is a total unknown. If that's the case then at least let us know what your range is in the particular street in question. In all honesty though you shouldn't be taking this route when playing 2NL, rather you should be focusing on determining villain's range and exploiting it, imo.

[MadMojoMonkey]

In all honesty though you shouldn't be taking this route when playing poker, rather you should be focusing on determining villain's range and exploiting it, imo.

FYP

Seriously, though. You shouldn't take this approach because voluntary ignorance never made the world a better place, EVAR.

***

If someone put a gun to your head and said.

"Give me 3 useful pieces of advice about cbet sizing OTF or I'll kill you."

What would you say?

Hey, watch where you face that crown! DJeezus have some discipl-
Oh fuck! ohshit!
ohfuckohshit!


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You need to vary your sizing based on many factors, here are my top three:
1: PEOPLE: How many are in? Who are they? What ranges do they hold?
2: POSITION: Who acts first? Who acts last? (and in-between, obv.)
3: VALUE: How much dead money is in the pot? What are villains' stack sizes?

(4: Hello, 911? I was just mugged at gunpoint. I'm not hurt, but he stole my ideas.)

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You gotta stop ignoring the peeps, DJ. The game is to outsmart the fish, not mug your friends.

[OngBonga]

If someone put a gun to your head and said.

"Give me 3 useful pieces of advice about cbet sizing OTF or I'll kill you."

What would you say?

Fuck you. I dare you to pull the trigger. I'll be dead and you'll spend the rest of your life in prison getting buttraped. I'll win, my life is shit anyway. I dare you. Do it, pussy.

[DJAbacus]

Fuck you. I dare you to pull the trigger. I'll be dead and you'll spend the rest of your life in prison getting buttraped. I'll win, my life is shit anyway. I dare you. Do it, pussy.

'BANG'

you're dead....

[Savy]

Flop sizing go bigger, villain will call lots of aces and lots of flushes & straight draws and it'd surprise me if he finds a fold with some hands like TT & JJ.

Turn I think this is fine, everything he is going to call with is calling regardless of your sizing (within reason, see inelastic ranges) so as we have a strong hand the bigger the better if anything. We also don't really expect villain to be slow playing hands like 55 & 88.

River I get the feeling you play to passively if draws complete. I think b/f is the best line. Arguably we should be just GII over 3 streets on this runout although the river is a meh card we expect the average 2nl player to be bad enough.

FYP

Seriously, though. You shouldn't take this approach because voluntary ignorance never made the world a better place, EVAR.

I see no problem with looking at hands from the point of view that we are playing an unknown at the given stakes and as a result work on our default plays, in fact I think it's a very good thing for him to be doing. Especially if he builds upon that default and thinks about ways he can adjust to exploit specific villains.

[DJAbacus]

Anyway, thanks everyone for the advice...nice bunch of people here...and I almost got you all to myself

Really, it's all about experience, playing hand after hand, reading forums and trying to use what little knowledge you have to make a reasonable attempt...

I'm building up stats on people slowing. After 10.5K hands I have at least VPIP/PFR on 229 people. I make a note in 888 in player notes and give them a player type. I'm probably spending a long time at 2nl until I feel I have enough knowledge and BR to make it esay to move up.

I did try 888 2nl cash games today, and they were soft and boy....what a luxury....stats on Villains...but I really struggle with more than 2 tables and the max buy in is $1 which kind of messes with set mining and other speculative hands. However, people will still be calling with draws as they don't get the odds, not much implied odds, so it's kind of messed up and needs a different PF strategy.

Could try some 4nl cash games though, but will wait until I'm a bit more Savvy...

[tiltingdonkey]

FYP

Seriously, though. You shouldn't take this approach because voluntary ignorance never made the world a better place, EVAR.

I don't think you understood what I meant (I probably didn't explain correctly anyway, so my bad). This is you knowing your range and knowing which part to fold and which part to call with to avoid being exploitable when you have no info and exploiting villains to the max. At 2NL however, I wouldn't prioritize this, but I do think it should be something that should be taken up now and then.

If someone put a gun to your head and said.

"Give me 3 useful pieces of advice about cbet sizing OTF or I'll kill you."

What would you say?

I chose to ignore this, but it just isn't nice.

[MadMojoMonkey]

Using the term "unknown villain" mischaracterizes the situation in such a way as to inspire mental laziness.

I much prefer the term "barely known villain" which is both more accurate and begs the question, "What IS known about villain?"

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I don't see any context in which a "default play" is relevant to playing good poker. The "default" play is found upon reflection of how you have handled many situations against a specific player or player pool. It is not a predictive piece of information, nor is it transferable between players or across sites.

[The Bean Counter]

Looks fine to me.

[griffey24]

I like all streets. I might go a little bigger pre. I don't mind the flop sizing. That is a good sizing for betting 3 streets.

Any bigger on flop will setup awkward sizing for going three streets imo.