Double Day Unlimited Werewolf

[baudib]

I honestly don't see how we ever get past lynching 2 of Rascal/MMM/JKDS, after that it's gonna suck.

If Ong is a wolf, it looks like he's just gonna win, the same might be true of Gator and Gabe.

[BankItDrew]

i'm not convinced at all BID is village... i know in the past he has had a kinda dumb image but i know he isnt dumb because ive seen him drop clever stuff on people. i know its possible he puts it all together and owns the village one day

Thanks and I hope so too but today is not that day.

That stuff I said about gator and gabe was me just trying to think out loud. I was just trying to get into each of your heads as possible wolves and why you would do something at that time. It didn't make a lot of sense, hence the village lean.

[baudib]

Drew do you have an opinion on Rascal-MMM or are you just navel gazing here?

[BankItDrew]

1) what does navel gaving mean?
2) my opinion on mmm hasn't changed - I'm confident he's a villager. Lilrascal idk, +EV lynch imo.

[baudib]

you don't actually have any reason to believe Rascal is a wolf, do you?

[GatorJH]

I need to take another look, but it appears Rascal is only focused on finding a wolf, not villagers. Wolves like to do this. MMM is solely focused on defending himself but that is to be expected so no read from that.

Ong is v like 99.99% of the time here. Gabe like 74%. Still not sure about Baudib, JKDS or Drew.

I am sticking with Rascal for today and will re-review if he doesn't flip wolf.

[OngBonga]

Sometimes you just gotta trust your gut.

lynch baudib

[Hoopy]

I'm here, going to do a votecount.

Just under 2 hours left.

[Hoopy]

Votecount 1.7

4
MMM - (gabe, JKDS, lilrascal, baudib)

3
lilrascal - (BID, Gator, JKDS)

baudib - (MMM, Ong, lilrascal)


1 hour to go people.

[lilrascal]

I need to take another look, but it appears Rascal is only focused on finding a wolf, not villagers. Wolves like to do this. MMM is solely focused on defending himself but that is to be expected so no read from that.

Ong is v like 99.99% of the time here. Gabe like 74%. Still not sure about Baudib, JKDS or Drew.

I am sticking with Rascal for today and will re-review if he doesn't flip wolf.

Yes, I'm looking for the wolf. There's 8 players left. I know I'm villa and 1 of the 7 of the rest is the wolf.

Without a seer and the other wolf dead, I think it will be easier for the last wolf to hide because he doesn't have to fear the seer and only has to protect himself.

At this point I'm going to be suspicious of everyone, but as I've said, I think Ong is villa and I feel good about gabe. Beyond that, I'm not sure.

[lilrascal]

I'm heading off to work now. I hope to see you this evening, if not, then good luck.

[OngBonga]

has deadline passed or was it exactly one hour from your post hoops?

[OngBonga]

I don't even know who dies if 4 is the lynch total.

I'm happier that mojo is town than rascal. I don't agree that mojo needs to die. I do think rascal will need to though.

lynch rascal

If mojo dies, well I hope I was wrong.

[OngBonga]

If anyone else is online and wants to lynch baudib, that would give me a boner.

[OngBonga]

If deadline already passed, whatever.

[OngBonga]

jkds voting for both at this stage is kinda fishy.

[OngBonga]

It's very fishy in fact. It's not like jkds to not give a shit. I've made a decision which one I prefer to see die. Most others seem to too. Why hasn't JKDS?

[OngBonga]

Anyway if I don't get nommed I'll be very surprised indeed. It's been fun, gl.

[OngBonga]

Any wolf that noms gabe is a pussy.

[Hoopy]

has deadline passed or was it exactly one hour from your post hoops?

Yeah deadline was at 1:20pm UK time. I'm posting from work so sporadic access.

Checking to see who reached 4 first.

Hold off posting for now everyone.

[Hoopy]

MMM reached 4 first and has been lynched!

He was a villager!

Night will last 24 hours, no talking.

[Hoopy]

Bankitdrew has been killed!

He was a villager.

Day 2 starts now, 48 hours until the next lynch!

The Village
gabe
Gator
Ong
JKDS
lilrascal
baudib

5 Villagers
1 Wolf

Luco was lynched day 1
MMM was lynched day 1
Bankitdrew was killed night 1

[OngBonga]

Haha drew actually got nommed on n1.

[baudib]

I had a lot of thoughts but the nightkill overrides everything at this point.

[OngBonga]

I kinda feel like baudib is the only person who wouldn't nom me last night. I mean everyone else wants me to flip villager so baudib gets more heat/ Isn't that how the nom usually works? I doubt anyone saw drew as a threat. Yeah he was super villager, but myself and gabe are higher value kills.

baudib might not want to kill me though because I'm interacting so much with him. It's really difficult being a wolf when you're easily the most active, I know from experience. baudib left me because he doesn't want to be cut adrift at the top of the post count.

lynch baudib

mwahahaha

[baudib]

I mean, LOL?

Drew was playing fine and was a pretty obvious villager but that's a godawful kill.

Someone's named popped into my head instantly when I saw it and I can't even explain why.

Level 1, Drew most wanted to lynch Rascal, so Rascal getting rid of Drew makes sense.

If Rascal makes this kill he can then point to, "Why is Gabe (Ong, Gator, JKDS) still alive?"

In a weird way, tell me if this is crazy, I think this clears the Luco voters. I mean, killing a Luco voter would be wolfing 101, but if the wolf bussed, I think he'd be even more likely to kill a fellow Luco voter, to drive home the idea that those voters were clean.

The wolf REALLY wanted BID dead.

[baudib]

I kinda feel like baudib is the only person who wouldn't nom me last night. I mean everyone else wants me to flip villager so baudib gets more heat/ Isn't that how the nom usually works? I doubt anyone saw drew as a threat. Yeah he was super villager, but myself and gabe are higher value kills.

baudib might not want to kill me though because I'm interacting so much with him. It's really difficult being a wolf when you're easily the most active, I know from experience. baudib left me because he doesn't want to be cut adrift at the top of the post count.

lynch baudib

mwahahaha

JFC, I had basically cleared you in my head and now this. This is almost TWTBAW.

[baudib]

Anyway, just ignore Ong because we're obviously all going to let him win if he's the wolf. I think he's got a little bit too much try hard going, but whatever.

Coming into today, I felt like Rascal was always the correct lynch but I really wanted a reason to YOLO someone. After the NK I can't see lynching anyone else. I could see a couple people FPSing it there but meh...Rascal was also not really caught up with the thread so probably didn't have a good feel for who's most clear.

[OngBonga]

I had a lot of thoughts but the nightkill overrides everything at this point.

This is also super, super wolfy.

Let me tell you something about a recent wolf game at MS. I was wolf, and n1 I killed some dude, then d2 I started the day claiming that as I read thoguh the night, I had indentified the person who was killed as wolfy, and now I'm going to have to start again. Words to that effect. Obviously I was lying because I couldn't be bothered to read anyting in the night but wanted to give the impression I did.

Very next game, I was villager and saw someone else do something similar. Oh check who got killed, hard reset for me. She was scum.

Now baudib is doing it. Baudib had ideas but the kill surprised him, right? Now he needs to start again.

It's baudib.

[baudib]

And if you don't think Rascal is the wolf more than ~45% of the time, then you should absolutely lynch me.

If we get to F3, this is how it goes:

The wolf votes me, I absolutely destroy him on WIM, tone and logic, and then Ong votes me to lose it for the village.

[baudib]

This is also super, super wolfy.

Let me tell you something about a recent wolf game at MS. I was wolf, and n1 I killed some dude, then d2 I started the day claiming that as I read thoguh the night, I had indentified the person who was killed as wolfy, and now I'm going to have to start again. Words to that effect. Obviously I was lying because I couldn't be bothered to read anyting in the night but wanted to give the impression I did.

Very next game, I was villager and saw someone else do something similar. Oh check who got killed, hard reset for me. She was scum.

Now baudib is doing it. Baudib had ideas but the kill surprised him, right? Now he needs to start again.

It's baudib.

LOL

I kill Drew approximately 0% of any night ever.

[baudib]

Barring third-level shenanigans, I'm hard-clearing Gator and Gabe off the Drew kill too.

so boring.

[OngBonga]

As if anyone can "hard clear" gator off literally any kill. If gator thinks that killing someone will never look like his work, he'll fucking kill that person. He defines optimal night kill like no other.

Hard clearing gator after that kill is pure rhetoric.

[GatorJH]

Anyway, just ignore Ong because we're obviously all going to let him win if he's the wolf. I think he's got a little bit too much try hard going, but whatever.

Coming into today, I felt like Rascal was always the correct lynch but I really wanted a reason to YOLO someone. After the NK I can't see lynching anyone else. I could see a couple people FPSing it there but meh...Rascal was also not really caught up with the thread so probably didn't have a good feel for who's most clear.

I completely disagree with this. Of all the people targeting Rascal Drew seemed the most ambivalent. This night kill actually takes my focus away from Rascal. I need to look through the thread, but I keep getting an uneasy feeling from you.

[OngBonga]

JFC, I had basically cleared you in my head and now this. This is almost TWTBAW.

baudib this also shows that you're not thinking like a villager.

Why is your village read on me dependant on me not coming swinging for you? Why as a villager would you not anticipate this?

[GatorJH]

This is also super, super wolfy.

Let me tell you something about a recent wolf game at MS. I was wolf, and n1 I killed some dude, then d2 I started the day claiming that as I read thoguh the night, I had indentified the person who was killed as wolfy, and now I'm going to have to start again. Words to that effect. Obviously I was lying because I couldn't be bothered to read anyting in the night but wanted to give the impression I did.

Very next game, I was villager and saw someone else do something similar. Oh check who got killed, hard reset for me. She was scum.

Now baudib is doing it. Baudib had ideas but the kill surprised him, right? Now he needs to start again.

It's baudib.

This makes more sense to me than his posts. Why say the nightkill overrides everything but then follow with "After the NK I can't see lynching anyone else" (referring to Rascal). Those two posts, made almost back to back are not congruent with each other.

[baudib]

I don't even think Rascal is very wolfy, but I have good reasons to call everyone else in the game a villager.

Gator can't fool me with his null tone and role-neutral banter, he's trying to figure people out and thinking about the long-term shape of the village.
Gabe has extremely fluid, pure tone/thought processes.
JKDS is boxing himself into a tight corner if he's a wolf by hard-clearing half the game already.
Ong is doing a lot of work and voted for Luco.

-----------------------

I haven't done anything wolfy, but I didn't vote for Luco. That thing where JKDS tried to preemptively take credit for the Luco flip will haunt me until the end of the game, but he feels like a villager. Granted, I don't really know what his wolf game looks like.

So you should absolutely wagon me and Rascal, and if that doesn't work, kill Ong immediately at F3.

[GatorJH]

LOL

I kill Drew approximately 0% of any night ever.

Please explain more.

[baudib]

baudib this also shows that you're not thinking like a villager.

Why is your village read on me dependant on me not coming swinging for you? Why as a villager would you not anticipate this?

It's not your attack it's your post. What villager makes words like that? JFC

[GatorJH]

As if anyone can "hard clear" gator off literally any kill. If gator thinks that killing someone will never look like his work, he'll fucking kill that person. He defines optimal night kill like no other.

Hard clearing gator after that kill is pure rhetoric.

Again, I agree here more than baudib. Ong is acting WAY more villager than baudib right now.

[baudib]

I kinda feel like baudib is the only person who wouldn't nom me last night. I mean everyone else wants me to flip villager so baudib gets more heat/ Isn't that how the nom usually works? I doubt anyone saw drew as a threat. Yeah he was super villager, but myself and gabe are higher value kills.

baudib might not want to kill me though because I'm interacting so much with him. It's really difficult being a wolf when you're easily the most active, I know from experience. baudib left me because he doesn't want to be cut adrift at the top of the post count.

lynch baudib

mwahahaha

Look at this again. What kind of logic is this? Yeah, I want to keep you around because you're the guy tunneling me from post 1 and interacting with me the most. Look, I know you get your rocks off pushing me every single day of every game ever, but I'm not inherently stupid.

[baudib]

This makes more sense to me than his posts. Why say the nightkill overrides everything but then follow with "After the NK I can't see lynching anyone else" (referring to Rascal). Those two posts, made almost back to back are not congruent with each other.

I felt like the PoE was AIDS and really wanted to YOLO JKDS to be honest. JKDS has to be on the back burner at the very least for now.

[OngBonga]

but I'm not inherently stupid.

I'm not suggesting you are.

I'm suggesting you're inherently wolfy.

[baudib]

Please explain more.

Drew is easily the worst player with the least late-game experience of anyone in the game. Other than him hard-repping seer in a normal game, I just don't see the idea of "kill Drew" entering my brain.

the last game I was a wolf we kept Drew alive and never even talked about him, if you'll remember. I think he lived to the end.

[baudib]

I'm not suggesting you are.

I'm suggesting you're inherently wolfy.

Ong, yesterday you said I was the wolf who was going to nom you. Now I'm the wolf who kept you alive? For what reason.

sense, you make none.

This all-out attack seems seriously pre-meditated. I'm starting to think you're going to win this on your own.

[baudib]

Ong, seriously that can't be a real thought.

WTF thinks, "wow the wolf kept me alive even though I've been pushing him all game because he wants someone to talk to in the thread."

how stoned are you?

[OngBonga]

I'd like to think drew got killed because I said the wolf is a pussy if he kills gabe. I hope the wolf is rising to the challenge.

[baudib]

The thing is I can't really see Ong killing Drew either.

my initial thought was actually JKDS, who I was leaning toward anyway, and who I think could actually make that play, but I've decided that's probably wrong.

[OngBonga]

baudib, I'm always stoned. That's irrelevant.

If you want to try and get me lynched, be my guest. I'm not planning to to stop being an obvious villager, so good luck with that.

[baudib]

baudib, I'm always stoned. That's irrelevant.

If you want to try and get me lynched, be my guest. I'm not planning to to stop being an obvious villager, so good luck with that.

oh no. we're lynching Rascal.

Then you can lynch me and then JKDS and Gator can figure you out at F3.

[baudib]

But if Ong is the wolf, he fucked up by trying to get me lynched today, he'd need me at F3. If I go first then Ong doesn't get to demand the hammer at F3.


^^
something to think about for those of you alive later in the game.

[baudib]

So anyway, we have Ongwolf properly tarped. If Ong tries to make a case against someone other than me today, I suggest we burn him with fire immediately.

[baudib]

But if Ong is the wolf, he fucked up by trying to get me lynched today, he'd need me at F3. If I go first then Ong doesn't get to demand the hammer at F3.


^^
something to think about for those of you alive later in the game.

So anyway, we have Ongwolf properly tarped. If Ong tries to make a case against someone other than me today, I suggest we burn him with fire immediately.

Do me a favor and refer to these when I'm deadorz. Search for "deadorz"

[baudib]

lynch Rascal

[OngBonga]

haha

[baudib]

glgl I'm going to bed.

[OngBonga]

So anyway, we have Ongwolf properly tarped. If Ong tries to make a case against someone other than me today, I suggest we burn him with fire immediately.

I'm laughing at this.

I mean this kind of bollocks puts me to shame. I can only dream of talking this much shit.

[GatorJH]

JKDS is firmly in my villager camp because I just don't see him putting Luco first in this list if they are both wolves. It would have been more likely to have him 2nd or 3rd. Plus I think he ended up rescinding everyone BUT Luco during the day and there were plenty of opportunities to not do that and get on one of the other bandwagons. I just don't see a wolf in a 2 wolf team doing this. Ever.

rescind all (cuz easier to read)

lynch
Luco
gabe
Gator
baudib

Special note: I took MMM off the list because I dont think wolf mmm goes absent as often as villager mmm does.

[baudib]

oh and if you're absolutely convinced Ong is a villager, by all means lynch me today, because he obviously can't get his head on straight until his hard-on for me is appeased.

[baudib]

I'm laughing at this.

I mean this kind of bollocks puts me to shame. I can only dream of talking this much shit.

^
fake reaction is fake.

you can tone it down, you've got everyone else fooled.

[OngBonga]

JKDS is firmly in my villager camp because I just don't see him putting Luco first in this list if they are both wolves. It would have been more likely to have him 2nd or 3rd. Plus I think he ended up rescinding everyone BUT Luco during the day and there were plenty of opportunities to not do that and get on one of the other bandwagons. I just don't see a wolf in a 2 wolf team doing this. Ever.

Looks to me like he copy/pastad the list from OP and removed the ones he wanted to keep. I think it's 100% null.

[baudib]

Looks to me like he copy/pastad the list from OP and removed the ones he wanted to keep. I think it's 100% null.

discrediting JKDS villager cred. noted


​it begins

[OngBonga]

haha jfc baudib you really are something this game.

[GatorJH]

baudib, I'm always stoned. That's irrelevant.

If you want to try and get me lynched, be my guest. I'm not planning to to stop being an obvious villager, so good luck with that.

Ong, we all know how you feel about Baudib at this point. Why don't you now focus on providing some insight on others just in case you are wrong.

[baudib]

(Gator looking for reasons to call JKDS a villager, Ong looking for reasons to not do so.)

[OngBonga]

How is "null" discredit? It's pointing out a fact.

[OngBonga]

Ong, we all know how you feel about Baudib at this point. Why don't you now focus on providing some insight on others just in case you are wrong.

I will. I'm sure someone else will say something wolfy sooner or later.

[baudib]

Gator, that thing where JKDS says "wouldn't it be awesome if I got all the wolves in those 3 (4 or whatever) votes?"

that still bugs me

but it's likely nothing.

[OngBonga]

(Gator looking for reasons to call JKDS a villager, Ong looking for reasons to not do so.)

This is funny. Yesterday I was looking for reasons mojo was a villager, and baudib didn't want to listen.

[OngBonga]

I'd also like to remind baudib that I am still in fact town reading jkds, the "null" thing that gator pointed out didn't change it one way or the other.

[baudib]

This is funny. Yesterday I was looking for reasons mojo was a villager, and baudib didn't want to listen.

I didn't have any reasons to think anyone else was a wolf. If you had been acting like this yesterday then I would have changed my mind.

[GatorJH]

Looks to me like he copy/pastad the list from OP and removed the ones he wanted to keep. I think it's 100% null.

But wolf JKDS would be cognizant that his fellow wolf was number one on the list. Honestly this adds more credence to me than when you posted the OP list and quickly followed it with "Poor Luco at the top". You are purposefully calling out that you know Luco was at the top while JKDS didn't seem to care.

[baudib]

sick read Gator, I would never catch something like that.

I'll let you boys carry on.

[OngBonga]

Ong, we all know how you feel about Baudib at this point. Why don't you now focus on providing some insight on others just in case you are wrong.

Ok so now I'm happy to put gator firmly in my town camp. If gator is the wolf, why the fuck would he want me to back off baudib? gator himself has acknowledged my points on baudib, if gator is the wolf it would suit him just fine for me and baudib to continue swinging for each other while he sits back. No way would gator want me to back off baudib if gator is the wolf.

If you're the wolf, the absolutely fuck you.

[GatorJH]

Gator, that thing where JKDS says "wouldn't it be awesome if I got all the wolves in those 3 (4 or whatever) votes?"

that still bugs me

but it's likely nothing.

Why does that bug you? His initial list had 4 then he quickly rescinded one of them leaving 3.

Once Luco flipped wolf I was wondering how awesome it would be to have soul read both he and mmm in that one post. It's normal thinking imho.