Double Day Unlimited Werewolf

[baudib]

I can't even recognize a case that you're making on JKDS, as simple as it's supposed to be. That he posted a two-liner and left? He clearly spent a lot of time trying to reread you and trying to figure out your alignment.

His hand certainly isn't forced. I don't like Wolf JKDS' chances here, but his best shot at winning this game was going along with POE and killing me and Rascal and then glgl at F3.

[OngBonga]

His only chance of winning is to lynch one of me, gabe and gator. He's going for the most vulnerable one of the three at critical time... he can't rely on gabe or gator's vote, so if he doesn't get me lynched now, he won't. Why can't you see that his only option as wolf is to try to lynch me now? If he doesn't, he's left with two from gabe-ong-gator at f3, a default loss unless he can talk gator or gabe into lynching me.

The fact he's only half assed hitting me betrays a distinct lack of enthusiasm. When he actually owned me as a wolf, it was relentless and bang on. Here it's vague as hell and based largely on his apparent interpretation of my conviciton.

[baudib]

Sorry, if you're actually a villager you've already torpedoed your case by making 47 inane and contradictory posts about why I was a wolf.

your progression on me still doesn't make any sense, and from your perspective I should still be just as suspect as JKDS.

for instance, apparently this complete 180 you did is based off the last page or so, where me and JKDS dominate the conversation. Most of what I was talking about makes you look bad. So acknowledging that I'm probably a villager is in effect conceding that I'm correct about what I was saying:


your tone is wolfy
you're overexplaining things the way you do as a wolf
you're way too tense given the game state

also it makes zero sense for you personally to lock clear Gator and Gabe when you were attacking me earlier in the game for doing the same thing.

[OngBonga]

Ok, so basically your thought process is "you thought I was a wolf so fuck you".

wp

[OngBonga]

...

also it makes zero sense for you personally to lock clear Gator and Gabe when you were attacking me earlier in the game for doing the same thing.

earlier in the game

earlier in the game

earlier in the game

earlier in the game

earlier in the game

earlier in the game

[OngBonga]

What I should do now is tell you you're a moron for thinking that I'm wolfy when I'm so obviously a villager.

[JKDS]

Still dont believe you

[OngBonga]

Still dont believe you

Well I'm convinced.

rescind jkds
lynch baudib

[OngBonga]

hahaha

rescind baudib
lynch jkds

[baudib]

why can't I just die

[OngBonga]

AIDS is slow.

[lilrascal]

I just got back to the hotel. Going to catch up on the thread now.

[OngBonga]

cliffs - shitfest, aids, jkds

[baudib]

1	2015-08-17	Haters 3 (link)		Mish-Mash	Village	Day Vig	Survived	6	Win
2	2015-07-09	NBA vs San Antonio Spurs vanilla+ (link)		Vanilla+	Wolves	Super Roleblocker	Survived	7	Win	4/-
3	2015-06-11	Legends of Football Euro-friendly Vanilla 13er (link)		Vanilla	Village		Eaten	6	Loss
4	2015-06-01	Futurama Mishmash (link)		Mish-Mash	Village		Survived	7	Win	2/-
5	2015-05-18	David Fincher Mash (link)		Mish-Mash	Village		Eaten	4	Loss
6	2015-04-13	Baldur's Gate Mish-Mash (link)		Mish-Mash	Village	Epic Cleric	Survived	5	Win
7	2014-12-14	13er video mafia roleset (link)		Vanilla+	Wolves		Lynched	6	Loss
8	2014-12-08	Venture Bros. (link)		Mish-Mash	Village	Interrogator	Eaten	5	Loss

8 straight games of making it to the final day

Eaten = killed by wolves after mislynch to end game

the wolf loss was at F3 in the video mafia roleset game was at F3 to end the game.

surviving the mashes are the nut low.

[lilrascal]

I'm not sure what to think about those wall posts from baudib on the last page. I've seen him reference other games to make some of his points, but I don't ever remember him putting in this much work as he did in those posts.

I know he posts a lot in most games, but not like this. Maybe he's trying to pocket me with his defense of me, but I'm moving him out of my scum pile to my neutral pile for now.

[lilrascal]

cliffs - shitfest, aids, jkds

LOL at the first two points in your cliffs.

Why JKDS? I'm suspicious of him too based on rereading gator's analysis of JKDS last night, but I'd like to get your thoughts as well.

[OngBonga]

1	2015-08-17	Haters 3 (link)		Mish-Mash	Village	Day Vig	Survived	6	Win
2	2015-07-09	NBA vs San Antonio Spurs vanilla+ (link)		Vanilla+	Wolves	Super Roleblocker	Survived	7	Win	4/-
3	2015-06-11	Legends of Football Euro-friendly Vanilla 13er (link)		Vanilla	Village		Eaten	6	Loss
4	2015-06-01	Futurama Mishmash (link)		Mish-Mash	Village		Survived	7	Win	2/-
5	2015-05-18	David Fincher Mash (link)		Mish-Mash	Village		Eaten	4	Loss
6	2015-04-13	Baldur's Gate Mish-Mash (link)		Mish-Mash	Village	Epic Cleric	Survived	5	Win
7	2014-12-14	13er video mafia roleset (link)		Vanilla+	Wolves		Lynched	6	Loss
8	2014-12-08	Venture Bros. (link)		Mish-Mash	Village	Interrogator	Eaten	5	Loss

8 straight games of making it to the final day

Eaten = killed by wolves after mislynch to end game

the wolf loss was at F3 in the video mafia roleset game was at F3 to end the game.

surviving the mashes are the nut low.

Hey, look at me, I have balls. Look at my balls.

[OngBonga]

LOL at the first two points in your cliffs.

Why JKDS? I'm suspicious of him too based on rereading gator's analysis of JKDS last night, but I'd like to get your thoughts as well.

Keep reading.

[lilrascal]

Keep reading.

I am.

[OngBonga]

I mean it still could be baudib. I just don't think so any more. I've got form for misreading him, and JKDS really should have at least acknowledged my point that he's making what would appear to villager ong to be really wolfy moves. He's not concerned he's making a mistake by turning on me, which, if he was a villager, he should be concerned about.

Nah it's obviously JKDS and he's pretty much given up. There's no enthusiasm in his attack. He knows even lynching me doesn't win so long as you can avoid lynch.

[baudib]

Rascal, the good news is you're probably gonna win if you're a wolf.

[lilrascal]

I would go back and look at that Varchertine game but I've tried to block that out of my memory.

LOL. I think we've all tried to block that game from our memory.

[lilrascal]

I mean it still could be baudib. I just don't think so any more. I've got form for misreading him, and JKDS really should have at least acknowledged my point that he's making what would appear to villager ong to be really wolfy moves. He's not concerned he's making a mistake by turning on me, which, if he was a villager, he should be concerned about.

Nah it's obviously JKDS and he's pretty much given up. There's no enthusiasm in his attack. He knows even lynching me doesn't win so long as you can avoid lynch.

I understand what you're saying about baudib, but I don't really understand your statement about JKDS.

[OngBonga]

I understand what you're saying about baudib, but I don't really understand your statement about JKDS.

Put yourself in JKDS wolf shoes. How can he win? He faces gabe and gator who are unlynchable. Then there's me who gabe and gator both think is villager. JKDS wolf is already up against it right there, half the village is unlynchable... unless... he can get your vote on me and gets me to three before me gabe and gator can get our votes together... if that holds, then he can maybe get to baudib and then you. It's a long shot, but it's a better chance than seeing me survive this lynch, which then means OVER half the village is a bitch to lynch, and JKDS is locked out.

otoh, put yourself in JKDS' villager shoes. He can read me really well, yet despite me spewing my villager role, he thinks I'm a wolf? Bullshit. I've seen him tear me to pieces when I was a wolf, and it was and impressive thing to see. When JKDS has a wolf in his sights, he doesn't let up. In fact that game where he owned me, he went to bed and I talked myself out of the noose somehow. You think he'd let that happen again? There is no way JKDS makes one liner posts to me, ongbonga, when he thinks I'm a wolf. He is much more detailed. This is a million miles away from a JKDS villager attack.

The point you highlight, JKDS as a villager would consider both options with me... he'd try to figure out if what I'm saying makes sense from a villager. If he's a villager, he should understand why as a villager he would have given me such a headache by swinging for me. He understands why I would see that as wolfy strategy. But he isn't thinking "what if ong is a villager", which shows he's not one.

It's a done deal.

[lilrascal]

I skimmed a bit of it just now.

lynch Ong

I've clearly not been payng attention to his game recently. HIs posts are way more paranoia based here, and dont have any conviction. There isnt any focus to the attacks. Like, hes gone after me a few times with silly things but none of them had any teeth. Villa ong doesnt do that, he only attacks when he feels there is reason to attack. Hes a lot more reactionary too as a villa, often starting wars if he gets suspected.

This post makes no sense IMO. You stating that "There isnt any focus to the attacks" is just untrue. He's been pretty focused on baudib this game (actually that's true in most games) and more recently on you for the exact reason that you call him villagery. He's reacting to your posts about him because you suspect him.

This post is wolfy because it twists what's going on and lacks consistent logic.

[lilrascal]

Put yourself in JKDS wolf shoes. How can he win? He faces gabe and gator who are unlynchable. Then there's me who gabe and gator both think is villager. JKDS wolf is already up against it right there, half the village is unlynchable... unless... he can get your vote on me and gets me to three before me gabe and gator can get our votes together... if that holds, then he can maybe get to baudib and then you. It's a long shot, but it's a better chance than seeing me survive this lynch, which then means OVER half the village is a bitch to lynch, and JKDS is locked out.

otoh, put yourself in JKDS' villager shoes. He can read me really well, yet despite me spewing my villager role, he thinks I'm a wolf? Bullshit. I've seen him tear me to pieces when I was a wolf, and it was and impressive thing to see. When JKDS has a wolf in his sights, he doesn't let up. In fact that game where he owned me, he went to bed and I talked myself out of the noose somehow. You think he'd let that happen again? There is no way JKDS makes one liner posts to me, ongbonga, when he thinks I'm a wolf. He is much more detailed. This is a million miles away from a JKDS villager attack.

The point you highlight, JKDS as a villager would consider both options with me... he'd try to figure out if what I'm saying makes sense from a villager. If he's a villager, he should understand why as a villager he would have given me such a headache by swinging for me. He understands why I would see that as wolfy strategy. But he isn't thinking "what if ong is a villager", which shows he's not one.

It's a done deal.

Ok, and I think I found what you're saying in my crosspost just now.

[lilrascal]

sigh it's JKDS. What choice does he have?

fwiw I don't hate baudib. I like the guy. We just clash in ww because he's so fucking wolfy and I'm so fucking mouthy.

I love this post because it made me laugh and is so true. LOL

[lilrascal]

I've literally never done a wolfy thing all game.

There are some games where I say stuff for reaction or to trap people but I haven't thought that deeply about things this game.

I just don't have a filter and just say random thoughts that pop into my head.

I disagree with this. At times I've found you wolfy and then you do something villagery. It's why I still have you in my neutral pile.

[baudib]

that's just not true. I'm a villager and don't have any hidden motivations or agendas here.

[lilrascal]

cliffs - shitfest, aids, jkds

Caught up now and these cliffs are accurate. My head hurts after reading all of that.

[lilrascal]

that's just not true. I'm a villager and don't have any hidden motivations or agendas here.

That may be true, but from my POV it's not that clear.

[baudib]

Wolfy post incomgin:


It's gonna be hilarious when we just let Gabe cruise to a win off 3 posts per day.

[lilrascal]

Wolfy post incomgin:


It's gonna be hilarious when we just let Gabe cruise to a win off 3 posts per day.

I was actually just about to ask where he went since he hasn't posted since 3:38PM yesterday.

[lilrascal]

I just ISO'd gabe and I don't see him being the clear villa that others are saying he is. Maybe it's because of his meta, but I'm not seeing any game solving and I do see a lot of fluff and a little commentary from him.

lynch JKDS
lynch gabe

[lilrascal]

Here's where I stand now:

Gator - Villa
Ong - Villa

baudib - Neutral

gabe - Wolf
JKDS - Wolf

[JKDS]

Don't care, kill ong after.

His argument is nonsensical tho, because if anything...it proves I wouldn't kill BID. I'm not a dummy.

But look over ong's posts rascal. His "focus" that you see is him being defensive when attacked. But even still, none of his posts sound real. Look at them, pit yourself in ong's position, and see if the way he reacted is the same way you would.

Meanwhile, he is constantly spreading paranoia, discrediting villa reads, and making arguments that make absolutely no sense. It's nonsensical in a way that ong normally isnt, and for all of these reasons he's a wolf.

He's fake laughing, he's bragging about the bid kill, he's defensive, but his posts are never consistent with how he should be feeling.

His argument is that Ive killed bid, even tho that leaves me to deal with a ton of ppl who didn't like me on day 1. His argument is that I'm reading him wrong, so I must be a wold. But I'm not reading him wrong...and wolf ong has no choice but to say I am.

Still, doesn't matter. Lynch me, then lynch ong. Baudib is a villa tho, andI feel like we can also trust rascal and gator.

[baudib]

Standard caveats with Gabe apply: Among the regs here who play WW, he's easily the only one who's a world-class poker pro, so balancing and stuff like knowing when to change gears and making reads on the mood of the village is stuff that comes naturally to him.

I could easily see him taking this line as a wolf who feels things are going swimmingly (he's widely cleared). I also think that if Gabe were a villager who felt good about the perceived PoE, he'd do this as well.

Whatever, it's hard for me to want to lynch someone who expressed things in the thread that I was feeling at the same time.

[baudib]

I seriously doubt JKDS would try to pocket me as a wolf when I was the clear mislynch at SOD.

[JKDS]

Rascal, why do i back off baudib if im a wolf? What benefit did I have in even posting last night? Its so much easier to just do absolutely nothing and let baudib get lynched. So why didnt I? Wheres the benefit?

Ong says my hand is forced, but this situation only exists because Drew was nommed. So...the conclusion is I suck at picking nom targets, or put myself in this situation for fun. The conclusion is that I ignored killing gabe, even though he's been anti-jkds for awhile. The conclusion is that I deliberately left jkds-haters alive, who were also believed to be villagery, and also decided to help spread their credibility.

You must think im terrible.

[baudib]

are these TWTBAW or what

Haha drew actually got nommed on n1.

I'd like to think drew got killed because I said the wolf is a pussy if he kills gabe. I hope the wolf is rising to the challenge.

Whoever killed drew, it was a great kill.

[baudib]

Ong does have a decent point about the idea that killing Drew is a good move for Gabe if it keeps suspicion off him, i.e., it's not a traditional SPK (strong player kill) move.

[JKDS]

No. Not a chance. He's lost the ability to have TWTBAW applied to him ever since he posted the wolfiest thing in the world in an attempt to get villager cred when he daykilled someone that one time.

[baudib]

This sequence coupled with Ong congratulating the wolf on the kill looks extremely bad for Ong IMO.

For one, it makes no sense for him to believe he would get nommed if I was the wolf, and then turn around and say I'm a wolf because he didn't get nommed.

Also it indicates he has a lot to say about the nom that just doesn't make any sense.

I think Gator and Gabe are both villagers, but they shouldn't both be alive tomorrow. Recalibrate accordingly if they are.

This is a wolf who's already decided to nom me.

I kinda feel like baudib is the only person who wouldn't nom me last night. I mean everyone else wants me to flip villager so baudib gets more heat/ Isn't that how the nom usually works? I doubt anyone saw drew as a threat. Yeah he was super villager, but myself and gabe are higher value kills.

baudib might not want to kill me though because I'm interacting so much with him. It's really difficult being a wolf when you're easily the most active, I know from experience. baudib left me because he doesn't want to be cut adrift at the top of the post count.

lynch baud

mwahahaha

RE: bolded blue: Wat, like wtf huh

mwahahahaha added is incredibly wolfy too.

[baudib]

"everyone else wants me to flip villager"

who even says things like this?

[JKDS]

To be fair, ong is sometimes just "like that". The arguments arent what gives him away, its the tone and mentality behind them. None of his things are "ah ha, die wolf", except for the ones where hes in 'do-or-die' mode in defense.

He did nothing to save mmm, hes gone out of his way to discredit villager reads like the luco wagon, and the way he has attacked this game feels a lot like throwing darts at a board rather than throwing a punch.

[JKDS]

it matters a lot that he didnt save mmm tho. He called him a villager, then fucked off and let him die. Thats incredibly out of character for ong, who usually instigates and starts fights with people who dont agree with his reads. He didnt even try to stop the mmm lynch though, and the best reason is because mmm usually clears himself and him getting lynched was too good for ong to pass up.

Day 2 starts, and ong could give a fuck about the people that voted mmm. He does those night kill interpretation posts, then votes baudib. He doesnt think "a wolf killed mmm", the thought doesnt even cross his mind. Hes focused on how the night kill must implicate baudib.

[baudib]

Rascal, don't lynch JKDS.

[GatorJH]

For the love of God can one of baudib or Ong please die so we can get back to solving the game.

[baudib]

What do you think we've been doing?

It's Ong with a small side of Gabe.

[baudib]

Gator:
It's not me, it's not Rascal, it's not JKDS and it's not you.

game is solved.

glgl

[baudib]

updated
Ong 50%
Gabe 20%
Rascal 10%
JKDS 10%
Gator 10%

[Hoopy]

Votecount 2.2

2
JKDS - (Ong, lilrascal)

Ong - (JKDS, baudib)

1
baudib - (Gator)

gabe - (lilrascal)

4 hours 43mins left!

[baudib]

Rascal I'm slightly disappointed. If you end up being a wolf I'll be mad.

[gabe]

wow my brain completely forgot about werewolf. its like i went to sleep thinking "we cant lose" so it didnt pop in my head all day

im catching up now

heres a paradox

I've literally never done a wolfy thing all game.

[gabe]

im inclined to believe ong. ive thought he was a villager all game. as jkds aptly described, i think ong is just "like that" and all the wolfy things you are picking up are just ong being "like that" in general. whatever that means

i wont be voting for ong. ill be around the thread now to analyze more

[gabe]

with my absence, ive naturally become suspicious. no suprise. dont see this as "gabe only responding when he is targeted"

[OngBonga]

Whoever is the villager out of baudib and JKDS is hilarious.

[OngBonga]

it matters a lot that he didnt save mmm tho. He called him a villager, then fucked off and let him die.

This is desperate stuff. Absolutely desperate. I got back online to try to make sure my vote wasn't waster. I said mojo is town, voted for rascal with five minutes left.

JKS was nowhere and his vote on both the wagons. JKDS didn't give a fuck, I did. Yet he'd have you think I left mojo to die. No I didn't, I made a late vote to try and save him.

JKDS is talking about the drew like he was lynchable. He wasn't. If gabe died, we'll be having the exact same discussion except swap gabe for drew. The drew kill was necessary, just earlier than expected.

One of JKDS/baudib is a wolf, and the other hasn't got a clue what he's doing. It's pretty easy to figure out which way round that is.

I'm going out today, and I won't be back until sunday. Have fun.

[OngBonga]

For the love of God can one of baudib or Ong please die so we can get back to solving the game.

I'm sorry gator but the game is solved so long as you and gabe don't lose your faith in me out of frustration.

[OngBonga]

From my pov it's solved. I'm a villager and so is gabe/gator. I'm happy enough with rascal too that I feel my lynch can be afforded, not that I think it will happen.

I'm glad I'm going away this weekend. It gives gabe and gator the chance to take control of this thing. I expect it to be over with the next lynch.

[gabe]

Whoever is the villager out of baudib and JKDS is hilarious.

i think its much more likely baudib is the villager....

ive highlighted a few sentences i thought were very wolfy

I've clearly not been payng attention to his game recently. HIs posts are way more paranoia based here, and dont have any conviction. There isnt any focus to the attacks. Like, hes gone after me a few times with silly things but none of them had any teeth. Villa ong doesnt do that, he only attacks when he feels there is reason to attack. Hes a lot more reactionary too as a villa, often starting wars if he gets suspected.

Nah, Im electing to lynch wolves. Fuck maximizing endgame, the day we start doing that is the day we change the game name to were-wugy.

I think there is strong psychological bias going on though that is clouding our judgment. Think of someone you hate for a moment. No matter what that person does, it always seems like theyre incompetent, or they're gonna fuck up, right? This is because people tend to see the absolute worst in people in they dont like, while simultaneously seeing the best in people they do like. Idols, for example, can do no wrong.

Back to this game, baudib is super unlikeable. From calling everyone morons, to telling us to 'read the thread', going "gl gl gl", and constantly gloating about how awesome he is on some forum no one cares about, we hate him. That makes it so much easier to see him as the person thats tricking us, but im not sure hes it.

If we narrowed it down to ong v baudib, ong's done things that make far less sense from a villager than baudib has. Ong had to do less work to craft the level. And the bid kill makes so much more sense coming from Ong than from Baudib. BID is someone recognized both by himself and ong as someone that could read ong well. It makes a ton of sense for a wolf ong to kill BID while he was reading him as villa, while also leaving every player on the luco lynch alive for cover. It makes little sense for Baudib to kill him though, since he doesnt see BID as threatening and because it leaves eveyrone that lynched luco still standing. Its almost suicidal for baudib to do that, and I feel like such a kill makes a baudib lynch today almost guaranteed.

the "it makes sense that __" argument sounds like a wolf trying to justify (subconsciously to himself, consciously to everyone else) the story he is putting out there.

Don't care, kill ong after.

His argument is nonsensical tho, because if anything...it proves I wouldn't kill BID. I'm not a dummy.

But look over ong's posts rascal. His "focus" that you see is him being defensive when attacked. But even still, none of his posts sound real. Look at them, pit yourself in ong's position, and see if the way he reacted is the same way you would.

Meanwhile, he is constantly spreading paranoia, discrediting villa reads, and making arguments that make absolutely no sense. It's nonsensical in a way that ong normally isnt, and for all of these reasons he's a wolf.

He's fake laughing, he's bragging about the bid kill, he's defensive, but his posts are never consistent with how he should be feeling.

His argument is that Ive killed bid, even tho that leaves me to deal with a ton of ppl who didn't like me on day 1. His argument is that I'm reading him wrong, so I must be a wold. But I'm not reading him wrong...and wolf ong has no choice but to say I am.

Still, doesn't matter. Lynch me, then lynch ong. Baudib is a villa tho, andI feel like we can also trust rascal and gator.

this paragraph feels forced... like that is your personal wolf to-do checklist bolded


i think its true jkds hasnt been focusing on this game too much. its because of that he made the wrong target in going for ong.

[gabe]

also i never felt the reason for the shift off of rascal. im not sold on him. the argument seems to be that he posts villagery stuff, but we still have never seen him be wolf to have somewhat reads. and we should assume he would be good as a wolf since he has played often...

[gabe]

lynch jkds
lynch rascal

[baudib]

I'm sorry gator but the game is solved so long as you and gabe don't lose your faith in me out of frustration.

DRUDGESIREN.GIF

Ong you just said it doesn't matter, kill you and JKDS and now you're appealing to stay alive all game.

we have mislynches to spare. if you're a villager your life isn't that important.

JFC Gabe

[baudib]

Rascal, why do i back off baudib if im a wolf? What benefit did I have in even posting last night? Its so much easier to just do absolutely nothing and let baudib get lynched. So why didnt I? Wheres the benefit?

Ong says my hand is forced, but this situation only exists because Drew was nommed. So...the conclusion is I suck at picking nom targets, or put myself in this situation for fun. The conclusion is that I ignored killing gabe, even though he's been anti-jkds for awhile. The conclusion is that I deliberately left jkds-haters alive, who were also believed to be villagery, and also decided to help spread their credibility.

You must think im terrible.

I don't expect JKDS to be a terrible wolf and he is correct in this post. If he played it this way he did an awful job.

[baudib]

gl us?

whatever

[GatorJH]

Well they both need to die so lynch JKDS

[Hoopy]

Votecount 2.3

4
JKDS - (Ong, lilrascal, gabe, Gator)

2
Ong - (JKDS, baudib)

1
baudib - (Gator)

lilrascal - (Gabe)

gabe - (lilrascal)

[Hoopy]

JKDS has been lynched!

He was a villager!

48 hours to the next lynch!

[Hoopy]

The Village
gabe
Gator
Ong
lilrascal
baudib

4 Villagers
1 Wolf

Luco was lynched day 1
MMM was lynched day 1
Bankitdrew was killed night 1
JKDS was lynched day 2

3 votes for a majority.

All votes have reset.

[baudib]

oh look JKDS was a villager

lynch Ong

[baudib]

Lynch Gabe too

[baudib]

I think the way to play this is going to be to pick 2 people who you think are villagers.

I'm going with Gator and Rascal.

[baudib]

JKDS was the most obvious villager, good job on that one wolf.

[baudib]

This is kinda crazy but I just realized I have a decent shot at being nommed tonight. weeeee

I've said just about everything I need to say.

Wilf, my body is ready.