Russians vs. Americans: A Werewolf Game for October 2015

[BankItDrew]

I was a wolf last game fyi but I don't think you (jkds) played.

I was wrong, jkds played last game.

Why do I feel like I'm building a case against myself?

[BankItDrew]

Inb4 I'm accused of spilling my subconcious thoughts into the game thread

I'm looking at you, ong

[JKDS]

Wah? No, I was a shit wolf with baudib and kami, and the village practically sweeped.

[JKDS]

New page, missed that you saw your mistake

[BankItDrew]

New page, missed that you saw your mistake

Yup. I remember now. WORST WOLF TEAM EVER

imho

[JKDS]

BID what you think of rilla? Im still rereading, but Im really liking both him and ong as wolves.

[Luco]

Here's my #5secondhottakes on the new players

Beck – Contributing at a steady pace and asking solvey questions. Our third game together, He looks as good here as I’ve ever seen him. Villa

Dsaxton - MIA

Hifi – Decent start tone wise, leaning V

Kami – Could go either way. Either she’s pissed at drawing wolf again or pissed that she can’t self-vote

ShipItUp – peeked v N0

TheBrokenATM – hasn’t done anything yet that shows me he’s villa.

TopTierTom – very likely V. Active, engaged, thinking deeply.

[JKDS]

@Luco: BrokenATM made this post thing about trying to get Kami to self-vote kill herself, then was like "shhh, dont tell her". That seems way more like a fun villager than a wolf deciding to be silly. (173). Agree with Tom

How confident are you with beck?

[Luco]

@Luco: BrokenATM made this post thing about trying to get Kami to self-vote kill herself, then was like "shhh, dont tell her". That seems way more like a fun villager than a wolf deciding to be silly. (173). Agree with Tom

How confident are you with beck?

haven't seen beckwolf, only 3p role and he was pinging me a bit even then. He seems fine here

BATM - you're clearing him verrrrrrry light if you think he's villager for that quip on kami

[BankItDrew]

BID what you think of rilla? Im still rereading, but Im really liking both him and ong as wolves.

I had to go back to read his posts just now because I couldn't remember anything he posted.

He isn't impressing me this game but I don't know if it's role-indicative or if my standards of rilla are too high. I mean, almost all of his posts are short one sentence posts with not much in them. But nothing wolfy stands out. Whereas some posts are villagery.

So if I had to pick, I'd say villager. There's certainly more village posts than wolfy (0) ones.

[JKDS]

@luco: maybe, i havent played with batm before, but wolfing involves lots of pressure and doing something like that (like if it succeeded) would create a lot of heat.

@BID: Im trying to figure out if he was super soul ready Rilla because hes just really good at reading baudib, you, and eevee (that shot coulda been random) or if he is just being lame now because hes wolf. Im up to 436 now, and hes not being how he was before and I'd feel like he'd feel invincible after 2 great villa games.

[BankItDrew]

Here's my #5secondhottakes on the new players

Beck – Contributing at a steady pace and asking solvey questions. Our third game together, He looks as good here as I’ve ever seen him. Villa

Dsaxton - MIA

Hifi – Decent start tone wise, leaning V

Kami – Could go either way. Either she’s pissed at drawing wolf again or pissed that she can’t self-vote

ShipItUp – peeked v N0

TheBrokenATM – hasn’t done anything yet that shows me he’s villa.

TopTierTom – very likely V. Active, engaged, thinking deeply.

I agree with all of this except for the kami part.

Kami reminds me so much of bigred in that neither contribute in a significant way. Take the last game with kami for example. She did squat the entire time. She was a wolf that game but otoh I don't recall playing with her when she was a villager. I get the impression her input would be similar.

[JKDS]

Add Rascal, Boog, and BR to the villa list. Aubrey is near confirmed villa.

[Luco]

I agree with all of this except for the kami part.

Kami reminds me so much of bigred in that neither contribute in a significant way. Take the last game with kami for example. She did squat the entire time. She was a wolf that game but otoh I don't recall playing with her when she was a villager. I get the impression her input would be similar.

Kami literally never sees endgame playing like this, so don't waste your brain cells on her

[BankItDrew]

@BID: Im trying to figure out if he was super soul ready Rilla because hes just really good at reading baudib, you, and eevee (that shot coulda been random) or if he is just being lame now because hes wolf. Im up to 436 now, and hes not being how he was before and I'd feel like he'd feel invincible after 2 great villa games.

I think if rilla felt like an invincible wolf, he'd be more involved and lackadaisical.

[Luco]

@luco: maybe, i havent played with batm before, but wolfing involves lots of pressure and doing something like that (like if it succeeded) would create a lot of heat.

So apparently next time I draw wolf I just need to make a shitpost or two to get a guaranteed D1 pass from JKDS

Next you'll be telling me he's game solvery too

[JKDS]

Nah you misunderstand. I mean that if rilla rolled villa again, he'd be going for the hat trick and feel invincible. But if he rolled wolf, I think his confidence would change significantly.

[BankItDrew]

Nah you misunderstand. I mean that if rilla rolled villa again, he'd be going for the hat trick and feel invincible. But if he rolled wolf, I think his confidence would change significantly.

Depends on wether or not he's vig again hahaha

[JKDS]

So apparently next time I draw wolf I just need to make a shitpost or two to get a guaranteed D1 pass from JKDS

Next you'll be telling me he's game solvery too

Figuring out how anyone clears anyone could get you a day1 pass from them. But I dont have BATM lock cleared or anything, but given that the only player on ftr who regularly makes such posts as a wolf is ongbonga, I like the read.

[BankItDrew]

Wolves: I'm clearly not a poisoner so don't nom me.

[gabe]

i'm willing to give jkds a day 1 pass. theres so many players. that excuse buys him exactly 1 day.

obv we cant give that to everyone but this one has some context

[gabe]

Wolves: I'm clearly not a poisoner so don't nom me.

because you mentioned vig instead of poisoner?:

Depends on wether or not he's vig again hahaha

thats a decent deflection you make but i'm not giving you points for it since you included it as part of a joke. the "hahaha" part makes me question the intentions of the preceding sentence. sames goes for people who, contrary to normal posting behavior, add LOL out of nowhere

[gabe]

the "hahaha" increases the chances he was planning a fake future defense. (i know you guys probably have a better term for what im trying to say)

if it was legit slip saying "vig" i think its much more likely there is no "hahaha"

but it could mean he is actually the poisoner

[Luco]

Depends on wether or not he's vig again hahaha

Drew wtf

Why does rilla need to roll vig to be a confident villa?

[BankItDrew]

Drew wtf

Why does rilla need to roll vig to be a confident villa?

Because when he last rolled vig he pwnd the wolf team.

[Luco]

JKDS in my villa leans

[Luco]

Because when he last rolled vig he pwnd the wolf team.

And in the last game he was vanilla and still pwned.

Again I ask you,

w
t
f
drew

[JKDS]

Whats the deal with Tom and Beck?

[BankItDrew]

the "hahaha" increases the chances he was planning a fake future defense. (i know you guys probably have a better term for what im trying to say)

if it was legit slip saying "vig" i think its much more likely there is no "hahaha"

but it could mean he is actually the poisoner

By 'vig' I was implying 'poisoner'. That should go without saying.

Come to think of it, if I was the village poinsoner, trying to give myself nom cover by posting in a vanilla manner would be a great idea.

Thanks for ruining my plan.

[BankItDrew]

And in the last game he was vanilla and still pwned.

Again I ask you,

w
t
f
drew

I'm talking about the game when he rolled vig and pwnd! Jfc dude If I'm muddling up the order of previous games here at FTR then I'm muddling up the order of games.

[JKDS]

I was wrong, jkds played last game.

Why do I feel like I'm building a case against myself?

By 'vig' I was implying 'poisoner'. That should go without saying.

Come to think of it, if I was the village poinsoner, trying to give myself nom cover by posting in a vanilla manner would be a great idea.

Thanks for ruining my plan.

K, you sound really scared of dying with these posts, and I dont know why.

[Luco]

Ok this is like the third time drew has pinged me now. The early swing for inactives, the making shit up(tm) in his fight with ong, and now this weird soft defence of rilla. All mixed in with some very villagery posts though.

[JKDS]

BATM is probably best described as a combination of Wuf, Ong and Baudib.

Is he really now. How likely is he to post something goofy as a wolf that would draw a ton of attention to him?

[BankItDrew]

K, you sound really scared of dying with these posts, and I dont know why.

I'm on my period. Stop attacking me!

[gabe]

luco and jkds, i agree

[Luco]

Is he really now. How likely is he to post something goofy as a wolf that would draw a ton of attention to him?

Please show me where I can find this attention.

[JKDS]

[JKDS]

Please show me where I can find this attention.

The thing we're bickering about re the kami self-lycnh thing.

[JKDS]

I'm on my period. Stop attacking me!

My gif should read like that. Shoulda refreshed.

[Luco]

The thing we're bickering about re the kami self-lycnh thing.

You said 'ton of attention' but BATM has barely even been mentioned up until this convo

[Luco]

I'm getting deja vu again

jkds last time we did this, you and I were V and the person I thought you were clearing light was also V, so in deference to that I'm gonna drop this discussion for now

[JKDS]

You said 'ton of attention' but BATM has barely even been mentioned up until this convo

I dont see your point. A risky post is a risky post, regardless of what attention it actually draws. Whether or not I bring it up now doesnt mean it doesnt garner attention tomorrow. Or the next day. Or the next day. Wolves dont want to do that. But if hes like ong, which rascal suggests, then maybe he does make such a post as a wolf.

[Luco]

luco and jkds, i agree

I can't get a bead on you at all this game, and I can usually read you pretty well.

Even after ISOing I'm none the wiser

[JKDS]

So with Ong

He tunnels, and when he tunnels the points he makes tend to be ridiculous. Hes done that against baudib in the past, and hes done that against me. Its entirely possible hes just stuck on BID because BID is wrong and isnt normally wrong on him. That same logic has been used by ong to go after me when it was v-v. So this is totally possible.

These people I'm still working out, everyone else I like as villager for one reason or another.

Ong
Rilla
Beck Novo
Dsaxton
Hifi
Kami
MadMojoMonkey
NightGizmo
ShipItUp
SuperMonkeyFace
Wufwugy

[JKDS]

I can't get a bead on you at all this game, and I can usually read you pretty well.

Even after ISOing I'm none the wiser

Gabe I freely admit to clearing pretty light. I got him as a villa lean cuz he seems like fun, spitballing gabe from posts like 134ish.

[JKDS]

@Tom/Beck: Idk why you guys are sheeping each other this game, maybe you've already soul read eachother. W/e. Aubrey's a villager though, and the reason is because of her post 416 where she asks MMM what his name is. Thats not fluff, and it shows genuine wolf hunting. She aint a wolf.

[Luco]

what about this makes rascal V? from my games with him, he makes a very good villager. however i have not seen him pull out such a wild read before. its out of character which is wolfy

Gabe, what do you make of the fact that he initially sat on the read, and waited till he had me strapped in the chair before he unleashed it?

[Luco]

D1 and 434 posts. That must be some kind of record. I'm pretty sure nobody mentioned me which bores me.

Boog for the record I knew you were playing but was waiting to see if anyone else said your name first. The fact that you went this long without a sinlge mention is a villa tell imo - if you were a wolf then 4 other people would have boog on the brain

[Luco]

@Tom/Beck: Idk why you guys are sheeping each other this game, maybe you've already soul read eachother. W/e. Aubrey's a villager though, and the reason is because of her post 416 where she asks MMM what his name is. Thats not fluff, and it shows genuine wolf hunting. She aint a wolf.

#416

lol chill, I misread something someone said about you.



Anyway by her admission she doesn't care and unless I find something more compelling than a kami lynch before night, I'm down for that. Should be fun to analyze after the fact.

lynch kami


(mmm, is your name tom?)

JKDS, talk me through this one before I start mashing keys at you again

[OngBonga]

wtf are cheeba chews, I want.

I started scanning the posts because nearly three pages. I see jkds is swinging for me already. Pretty sure last time we were v-v we misread one another.

As for why I didn't see something in a game I modded... I am more likely to read posts carefully when I'm playing, rather than modding. I scan for votes when I'm modding. I'm not hunting wolves.

JKDS, it's not that he didn't vote for me. It's that he voted for the person I started a wagon on while claiming I'm a wolf. That's my problem. I've made this clear multiple times.

Why is aubrey conf villager jkds? I don't like in her first post that she strongly assumes kami is a villager, and then later votes her.

[OngBonga]

gabe seems like his normal self, dunno why people are on his case for being out of sorts. gabe always has a weird tone to his posts, especially on d1.

[OngBonga]

I feel like we're letting drew get away with a wolf slip because people seem to think that drew is capable of making wolf pov slips as villager.

I still can't see how that comment of his comes from a villager.

[Hoopy]

YOU CAN COUNT ON THE HOOPMAN TO COUNT BITCHES!

Kami 4 (Wufwugy, TheBrokenATM, aubreymcfate, NightGizmo)
BankItDrew 2 (Hifi, OngBonga)
Aubrey 2 (Beck, Top Tier Tom)
TopTierTom 2 (Kami, ShipItUp)
Wufwugy 1 (Rilla)
Ongbonga 1 (BankItDrew)

not voting: Dsaxton, MadMojoMonkey, Super Monkey Face, lilrascal, Gabe, Luco, Boog, Bigred, JKDS

[Hoopy]

15 hours 22 minutes remain.

If you spot something wrong with the vote count let me know.

[Kami]

I'm going to be inactive af tomorrow as well sorry. If it makes you feel better I'm not enjoying being this busy even remotely and didn't plan on this happening when i signed up.

Rip ship chan

[Kami]

aubrey

[Luco]

15 hours 22 minutes remain.

If you spot something wrong with the vote count let me know.

When did my rilla vote fall off the VC? I haven't rescinded and I don't intend to

[OngBonga]

d1 rilla lynch is reckless imo. I can't see that happening, don't feel it should happen, and feel that luco should know this and as such his voted is wasted.

[Luco]

d1 rilla lynch is reckless imo. I can't see that happening, don't feel it should happen, and feel that luco should know this and as such his voted is wasted.

I agree that the resistance to a rilla lynch is palpable, that's a very good point ong

[OngBonga]

There's no angel, there's every chance he's playing like this because he doesn't want to get nommed n1.

rilla is playing like he typically does as a wolf. He also knows the difference between his wolf game and his villager game. So if he is a wolf, why isn't he doing something about it? This is what is bugging me with rilla. I can't see him doing this again as a wolf.

[Luco]

aubrey

why?

[lilrascal]

Lynch BID

You didn't do anything to convince me I'm wrong about my read on you. I read you correctly last time you wolfed.

Heading off to work now. I'll try and check in at lunch, see you this evening, I bowl tonight so I won't be around a lot this evening.

[bigred]

30% of me wants to spite lynch kami. The rest wants to lynch bid.

i think bid looks wolfy but what's our d2 approach if he's a v? If he's a wolf? That's one reason I don't like a kami lunch. The result doesn't give us much in my opinion.

[Top Tier Tom]

what about this makes rascal V? from my games with him, he makes a very good villager. however i have not seen him pull out such a wild read before. its out of character which is wolfy

That blend of pedantic and stubborn rascal was showing is indicative of his villager game

Too stupid to not be sincere, IMO

[Top Tier Tom]

Add Rascal, Boog, and BR to the villa list. Aubrey is near confirmed villa.

Why's Aubrey villa? Who would you suggest I vote for instead?

[Top Tier Tom]

Whats the deal with Tom and Beck?

In what sense

He's a relatively new player who is getting better at the game fast and I respect the way his brain works because he sees things that I think "good" players see

We've played one game together except I was a wolf

Reading him villager here pretty strongly

[Top Tier Tom]

@Tom/Beck: Idk why you guys are sheeping each other this game, maybe you've already soul read eachother. W/e. Aubrey's a villager though, and the reason is because of her post 416 where she asks MMM what his name is. Thats not fluff, and it shows genuine wolf hunting. She aint a wolf.

How is it genuine wolf hunting? I don't get what you're seeing

[Top Tier Tom]

Lynch BID

You didn't do anything to convince me I'm wrong about my read on you. I read you correctly last time you wolfed.

Heading off to work now. I'll try and check in at lunch, see you this evening, I bowl tonight so I won't be around a lot this evening.

I'm still not understanding why people think Drew is a wolf. Ong fell the hell off right after Drew got at him.

You hearing me Ong? Where you at. If you're a villager: be bold. Be fearless. Post something new. You're stuck in your same positions from 24 hours ago.

[OngBonga]

Something new? Like what? I see two good reasons why drew is a wolf. Do I need more to justify my vote?

I fell right off when he hit me? Did I? Why don't you take a look at how long it took him to respond to the sig thing? Who fell off?

[HiFi]

Lilrascal beck and wuf all looking villagery

[Top Tier Tom]

Something new? Like what? I see two good reasons why drew is a wolf. Do I need more to justify my vote?

I fell right off when he hit me? Did I? Why don't you take a look at how long it took him to respond to the sig thing? Who fell off?

You were someone I found a useful resource early in the game, Drew attacked you, you got quiet. Sup?

[Top Tier Tom]

Lilrascal beck and wuf all looking villagery

Tell me what you like about Wuf

[OngBonga]

You were someone I found a useful resource early in the game, Drew attacked you, you got quiet. Sup?

I went to bed. People do that. Now I'm slowly reading through and might have something more interesting to say in an hour or two.

[Top Tier Tom]

So sassy

[OngBonga]

going through p1 again, there's only kami's hifi vote that stands out to me really. tom and hifi look good, everyone else null.

p2, rascal enters and takes a swing at luco. beck joins us with a wall of analysis, feels good. gizmo joins talking about vote format, defends wuf, points the finger at kami, votes for her shortly after. drew does his ong is a wolf vote kami thing. jkds dives straight in with a vote for tom, and then some blah about not rushing into d2. rilla's opening two posts lack any kind of enthusiasm.

So far, feeling good about hifi, tom, mojo and beck. drew remains my prime suspect, with rilla gizmo jkds kami pinging for one reason or another.

p3, batm enters a bit spazzy and votes for kami. luco accuses kami of playing against her wincon, still pings hard. Now drew and I start throwing shit at each other. tom sheeps drew. monkey joins, excuses himself for another day.

p4, gizmo starting to look better. rilla moves into second gear, but it doesn't feel particularly enthusiastic.

I'll read the rest in an hour or so.

tl;dr -

villagers - hifi, tom, mojo, beck
wolfy - drew, rilla, luco
less wolfy - batm, jkds, kami
null - everyone else