*** The Official MAGAposting thread ***

[OngBonga]

You people talking about Russian collusion are like flat earthers or creationists discussing their "ideas".

In all likelihood, the Russians were collaborating with both sides. It's called "hedging your bets". They're not daft.

[BananaStand]

In all likelihood, the Russians were collaborating with both sides nobody.

Fixed your post.

What we are witnessing here is one of the distasteful unintended consequences of democracy. If an idea is popular enough, it demands government attention. And as long as enough people believe the Trump/Russia propaganda....it will continue to get gov't attention. Currently, the mainstream media seems invested in propagating this idea and keeping it popular. And as long as Rachel Maddow and Anderson Cooper keep going on prime time TV saying "maybe this happened" and "what if?", then this inquiry will never end.

They will just keep on digging and digging and digging until they find some kind of "evidence". When you consider the massive beauracracy and communications machines required to run a campaign and a presidential administration....it's certainly plausible that some i's didn't get dotted and some t's didn't get crossed. They will keep digging until they can pin one of those mistakes on Trump.

What I find unbelievable is that so far, the evidence has demonstrated two things...
1. Russia reached out to Trump through a very low-level staffer (the guy still had model UN on his resume). Trump refused the meeting.
2. Clinton campaign funds have been tied to a Russian-sourced dossier about Trump being a pee freak.

In other words....the jackpot find in this investigation would be if they could prove that Trump accepted Russian-sourced campaign intelligence from the Russians. Apparently it doesn't matter that Hillary BOUGHT campaign intelligence from the Russians.

That's an absolutely stunning double standard that undermines the credibility of this entire investigation. The investigators are not going where the evidence leads, as they are supposed to do. Instead they are only interested in findings that support their politically motivated goals. That's corruption at the highest level, and people on the left seem to be ok with it. They hate trump so badly that they don't care how badly the justice system needs to be perverted in order to take him down.

[Poopadoop]

so far, the evidence has demonstrated two things...
1. Russia reached out to Trump through a very low-level staffer (the guy still had model UN on his resume). Trump refused the meeting.
2. Clinton campaign funds have been tied to a Russian-sourced dossier about Trump being a pee freak.

Always interesting to hear the Fox News version of events. You may want to broaden your net of information gathering just a tiny bit.

from here:
https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/...=.dc3c7396112b

"Three big questions here that keep popping up the more journalists reveal the extent of Russia’s interest in the campaign: If Trump’s campaign was sophisticated enough to decide not to meet with Putin, then why did campaign aides keep meeting with other top Russians? And why didn’t they acknowledge those meetings afterward? And why does Trump refuse to acknowledge Russia’s meddling?"

[BananaStand]

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/...=.dc3c7396112b

Notice at the top where it says "Analysis". That means that anything in this article is not news...it's merely the interpretations of someone with a heavy political leanings and a stated agenda to undermine the President of the United States.

What I got from that article
1) The Trump team, apart from Pops, adamantly denied the prospect of any meeting with Russia. In other words, the EVIDENCE shows a narrative that is entirely contrary to the left's preferred outcome. Therefore the evidence must be impugned with INSANE questions like "well we know that the Trump team denied Russia on 7 occassions, but what if there was an 8th inquiry that we don't know about!??" At some point you have to accept what the evidence is telling you, and the evidence is telling you that there was no fucking collusion.

2) The Washington Post clearly has a political agenda and is using their reputation and media gravitas to further a partisan plan to undermine the President. Talking about Sessions meeting with Kislyak is a red fucking herring. By all accounts Kislyak is a real man-about-town in DC and attends shitloads of events with all kinds of political figures. So he and sessions were in the same room once, with 500 other people, and Sessions forgot. That's HARDLY evidence of treasonous diplomatic collusion.

So all this talk about how Trump's team kept meeting with Russia is sensational, salacious, garbage. Even the Washington Post admits...

There’s also nothing unusual about campaigns meeting with foreign officials in normal circumstances.

The only thing that's not "normal" about these circumstances is that the left-wing media fucking hates Trump.

[Poopadoop]

Even the Washington Post admits...

There’s also nothing unusual about campaigns meeting with foreign officials in normal circumstances.

Exactly. But instead of saying we met them from time to time, shot the breeze, etc., it's all 'Russians? What Russians?'

G U I L T Y

[BananaStand]

Exactly. But instead of saying we met them from time to time, shot the breeze, etc., it's all 'Russians? What Russians?'

G U I L T Y

That's an insane leap of logic. Every reporter in the universe is trying to nail you to a wall with Russia stuff.....I'd deny everything, play dumb, and exploit plausible deniability whenever I could.

Let me ask you this.....now that this has gone on for TWO YEARS.....with ZERO RESULTS.....what's Trump's incentive to make it stop? Isn't it better if he lets the insane left conjure up all kinds of nonsense accusations and then be ready with a totally benign answer?

I mean, why would Trump say what you're suggesting? He said "I'd like the US to have a good relationship with Russia" and THAT is being construed as evidence of guilt. If I were Trump, I wouldn't say shit. I'd let my enemies embarrass themselves inventing sensational salacious bullshit and then shutting it down with a totally benign, and factual, rebuttal.

You can't have it both ways Poop. You can't say "Why doesn't Trump say X" while at the same time engaging in a propaganda campaign where anything Trump says is evidence against him.

Honestly, you MUST know this. You truly can't be this stupid or this politically un-savvy. You know that if you were in Trump's shoes you'd do the exact same thing. Yet, since that narrative is not useful to your propaganda campaign, suddenly you've morphed your morals and ethics where you expect every politician to be George Washington and "cannot tell a lie"

Come back to earth poop.

[Poopadoop]

That's an insane leap of logic. Every reporter in the universe is trying to nail you to a wall with Russia stuff.....I'd deny everything, play dumb, and exploit plausible deniability whenever I could.

Let me ask you this.....now that this has gone on for TWO YEARS.....with ZERO RESULTS.....what's Trump's incentive to make it stop? Isn't it better if he lets the insane left conjure up all kinds of nonsense accusations and then be ready with a totally benign answer?

I mean, why would Trump say what you're suggesting? He said "I'd like the US to have a good relationship with Russia" and THAT is being construed as evidence of guilt. If I were Trump, I wouldn't say shit. I'd let my enemies embarrass themselves inventing sensational salacious bullshit and then shutting it down with a totally benign, and factual, rebuttal.

You can't have it both ways Poop. You can't say "Why doesn't Trump say X" while at the same time engaging in a propaganda campaign where anything Trump says is evidence against him.

Honestly, you MUST know this. You truly can't be this stupid or this politically un-savvy. You know that if you were in Trump's shoes you'd do the exact same thing. Yet, since that narrative is not useful to your propaganda campaign, suddenly you've morphed your morals and ethics where you expect every politician to be George Washington and "cannot tell a lie"

Come back to earth poop.

Sure sure, explain it all away and call me an idiot besides.

Here's a question for you: just hypothetically speaking, if Trump were guilty how would he act?

[BananaStand]

LOL....hey Poop....do you like irony??

http://insider.foxnews.com/2018/01/0...ssier-desantis

He said many "simple" questions from House committees remain unanswered by the Justice Department, including when the government obtained the dossier, whether it was paid for and how they used it.

"I think if the answers were innocuous, we would have gotten them a long time ago," he said.

[Poopadoop]

2) The Washington Post clearly has a political agenda and is using their reputation and media gravitas to further a partisan plan to undermine the President. .

Has it ever occurred to you that maybe the media disapproves of him for the same reasons so many other people disapprove of him? Or are you still clinging to that Rasmussen Fantasy Poll that he's almost got half the people on his side?

To anticipate your brilliant riposte, ya he won the election. A year ago. Now people are seeing what they elected was a charlatan. And they're not happy.

[BananaStand]

Has it ever occurred to you that maybe the media disapproves of him for the same reasons so many other people disapprove of him?

You say "so many other people" like it's common knowledge or something. You're missing the fact that you, and people like you, live in an anti-trump echo chamber.

Or are you still clinging to that Rasmussen Fantasy Poll that he's almost got half the people on his side?

How come polls that don't support your position are "fantasy"? Real Clear Politics had him at 41% at the same time.

To anticipate your brilliant riposte, ya he won the election. A year ago. Now people are seeing what they elected was a charlatan. And they're not happy.

How in the world are you presuming to speak on behalf of Trump voters, and what evidence do you have that says they're not happy??

He successfully implemented an immigration pause from notable terrorist hotspots. Illegal immigration has PLUMMETTED. He's passed a tax bill that lowers taxes for everyone, while stimulating business and the economy (more jobs). He's stood up to the UN. He's systematically pulling apart Obamacare. He got Gorsuch confirmed to the Supreme Court.

Those are all things he promised to do. And he's either done, or is doing them successfully.

Where are you getting the word "charlatan"???

[Poopadoop]

You say "so many other people" like it's common knowledge or something. You're missing the fact that you, and people like you, live in an anti-trump echo chamber.

No, I hear all the pro-Trump rhetoric, I just don't buy into it.

How come polls that don't support your position are "fantasy"? Real Clear Politics had him at 41% at the same time.

I've given up trying to explain stats to people who don't want to listen.

Cherry-picking poll results is stats fail 101. The average poll result for Trump's approval rating was around 39% last time I checked. Let's say it's now 41%. In layperson's terms, he's not popular.

How in the world are you presuming to speak on behalf of Trump voters, and what evidence do you have that says they're not happy??

The polls, I just told you.

He successfully implemented an immigration pause from notable terrorist hotspots.

Did he? I thought that got shot down by the courts.

Illegal immigration has PLUMMETTED.

I will give him credit for that.

He's passed a tax bill that lowers taxes for everyone,

In the short term, in the long term it benefits the wealthy disproportionately. I guess you could argue America doesn't have enough wealth disparity already if you want.

while stimulating business and the economy (more jobs).

Hard to believe that's happened a year before it even comes into effect. Most causal relationships go cause --> effect, this one you have going the other way.

He's stood up to the UN.

I agree it takes guts to alienate most of the world. Not sure that's a popular move with the majority of your countrymen though.

He's systematically pulling apart Obamacare.

And I hear he's going to replace it with 'something really really really...terrific' (his words). As I recall that plan's already failed a couple of times when his own party wouldn't support the bill.

He got Gorsuch confirmed to the Supreme Court.

As if no president has ever managed to appoint a SCJ before, lol.

... that reminds me of some judge he tried to appoint who came before the committee and couldn't answer the most basic questions like 'have you ever tried a case in court?' or some such. I'll have to go find that video.


Is that it?

[OngBonga]

That's an absolutely stunning double standard that undermines the credibility of this entire investigation. The investigators are not going where the evidence leads, as they are supposed to do. Instead they are only interested in findings that support their politically motivated goals. That's corruption at the highest level, and people on the left seem to be ok with it. They hate trump so badly that they don't care how badly the justice system needs to be perverted in order to take him down.

Yeah I mean you're singing to the choir here. It's obvious to see. Anyone with half a brain who buys this collaboration crap is doing so purely because it suits their agenda.

When I say both side are collaborating with Russia, I simply mean in the same way that both parties would be collaborating with any potential international partner. The idea that Trump was Putin's "preferred" choice probably has merit, just as Theresa May would've preferred HRC. I'm sure every leader in the world had a "preferred" candidate. Noone gives a fuck what the leader of Trinidad & Tobago has to say though, right? Probably because T&T are not exactly an important international partner. Russia are, probably more so than the UK, even though they wouldn't say that in the papers.

[BananaStand]

Yeah I mean you're singing to the choir here. It's obvious to see. Anyone with half a brain who buys this collaboration crap is doing so purely because it suits their agenda

Across an ocean and through pot-smoke as thick as pea-soup, even Ong can see what's going on.

The Obama holdovers in the deep-state have CLEARLY initiated an agenda to undermine Trump from within. The guy can't even have a phone call with the President of Mexico without it being leaked, word for word, to the Press.

There has been a full-court press investigation into Russian collusion that has turned up zilch.

How do you explain the discrepancy? In a world where Trump can't fart downwind without someone calling for his impeachment....a nearly two year long investigation into potential wrongdoing has yielded zilch. How can that be unless the Russia stuff is categorically untrue??

Here's a fun question. What will it take for the left to accept that Trump didn't collude with Russia?? If Mueller closes his investigation with no findings.....there will just be calls for another investigation!!

With 2018 midterms looming, the democrats are STILL beating this drum of Russia....impeachment....racist....orange face. Meanwhile they have no candidate, no message, and a laundry list of scandals among party leadership. It blows my mind that the media is still chasing this Russia specter when there are is obvious and provable scandalous behavior by democrats.

Watching the left implode is both hilarious and tragic. Their failure to hold their own officials accountable while advocating a party platform of intolerance towards anyone outside of the social-justice groupthink is going to be their undoing. Instead of formulating a message, bolstering a candidate, and driving meaningful discourse about issues....the democrats' plan seems to be to simply point to 2016 and say "UNFAIR", and then hope that the voters give them a make-up call.