Quote Originally Posted by MadMojoMonkey View Post
Hmm.

quantum probability (if that's a phrase) is being posited as a potential source of freewill.

If there is anything acting on matter/energy wave/particles, then QM has some predictions to make about it. IF those predictions don't need to be altered AND free will exists, THEN sure, the quirkiness of quarks is likely the cause, BUT, that means free will does not mean an ability to change particle interactions. So if we can't affect anything on the smallest scales, then what is free will? That's a new question, not the original question.


If you need to reach outside of the quarks doing quirky things to say that some other phenomenon is influencing the probability of which quirky thing they do

We don't; every known experiment is in line with the current theory. There is no need to invoke any further axioms to explain the current data (for physics in brains... not quantum-relativistic stuff). If new data comes to light, then we'll re-evaluate at that time, but whatever new discovery needs to be explained can't change the current data. The current data is showing no evidence that QM is incorrect (incomplete, but nowhere incorrect). Whatever new data comes to light cannot change how minimal the effect could possibly be, as indicated by pre-existing data.
Ok, yeah, now I'm really lost. I think we might be talking passed each other.

Do you think there is freewill or not, and if so, from where do you think it arises?