*** Official Politics Shitposting Thread ***

[Jack Sawyer]

No. I'm just not deranged.


Clearly??? Where are you getting this? Why do you get to just make up your own facts. I watched the video a dozen times. I saw the guy take one step backwards after the guy was already in the process of pulling out his gun to fire. The whole thing took a split second.

You're out of your gourd if you expect a guy who was just beaten to the ground, to have the presence of mind to be able to tell if his assailant is sufficiently deterred merely by the sight of a gun...within a split second. You seem to have this retarded racist idea that gun-toting white people are all reckless hillbillies that like to indiscriminately flap a trigger finger while yelling yeeeeehaaaw.

In reality, the overwhelming massive majority of gun owners are responsible people that have been trained in gun safety protocols and understand them. If you were one of those people, you would know that a gun is not for intimidation. It's not to brandished. If you pull it out, it's because you are going to shoot somebody. If you pull the gun out, it's because you've already decided that your life is being threatened and you need to respond with force.

That all happened before the black guy ever thought about taking a step backwards. If you expect a guy who was just hit by someone twice his size, and is on the ground, and is in panicked fear for his life, to then make a hair-splitting nuanced interpretation of a single step, then you're an ignorant douchebag.

And even if he was backing away. How do we know he wasn't moving toward his car to get his own gun? If you're the one on the ground after being attacked...are you really gonna take that chance? He's attacked you...you've threatened him with a gun....now you're gonna just wait for his next move? That would be stupid. Bigtime stupid.

I'll lay 50 to 1 right now, on any wager you wanna make that this guy gets off.



Are you alright? Because you seem to be conflating me with the alt-right hate machine that likes to scream about oppression against whites.

I've never claimed that white people were a victim of anything here. Not a single word of that. Did you have a stroke? If not, then why do you think I'm making claims of anti-white racism?

My claim is that any feeling of victimization by black people is completely erroneous and that it was artificially manufactured by opportunistic activists with a profit motive. I object to that as a person of intelligence and respect for the law. My whiteness is not offended in any way.

In there, you say something about once you pull your gun out, you have already decided your life is in danger and you are going to shoot somebody.

There is the meat of the problem. Just because you "decided" your life is in danger doesn't mean it actually, factually and incontrovertibly is. You then proceeding to end that other person's life is not a thought not an opinion anymore, that one is the epitome of life in danger. So in danger, it does not exist anymore literally.

The other problem is that most of these gun toting bad boys are actually feeble assholes, who if you just breathe too hard in their direction might believe that their life is in danger and "pull out their weapon to shoot somebody"

I've noticed most gun nuts are, for lack of a better word, cowards. If he hits you, you are on the ground cowering in fear, can you not collect yourself for a second and call for help or call the police? So he God-forbid hits you, and that gives you the magic pass to be judge dredd?

I also like the twice the size argument. IIRC Trayvon Martín was also twice the size of George Zimmerman. Or so did many idiots claimed. Zimmerman's only recorded was to judge him for his actions and execute him on the spot. Because people fighting you for your own arguments (Zimmerman followed Martin, did he not?) deserves the death penalty nowadays.

PS: quoting on mobile FTR sucks balls

[BananaStand]

There is the meat of the problem. Just because you "decided" your life is in danger doesn't mean it actually, factually and incontrovertibly is.

Doesn't matter. Why is this a concern for you? Just saying "my life was in danger" is not a free pass. They still investigate. The cops still have the power to decide you're an idiot and arrest you anyway. You make it sound like it's the wild fucking west and no one has any responsibility at all. Be smarter.

The other problem is that most of these gun toting bad boys are actually feeble assholes, who if you just breathe too hard in their direction might believe that their life is in danger and "pull out their weapon to shoot somebody"

Exactly who are you talking about? There are something like 400 milliion guns in America. We only have like 8000 murders a year.

I've noticed most gun nuts are, for lack of a better word, cowards. If he hits you, you are on the ground cowering in fear, can you not collect yourself for a second and call for help or call the police? So he God-forbid hits you, and that gives you the magic pass to be judge dredd?

Demogoguery. Exactly what law are you citing here as the "magic pass". Can you cite what specific language in the statute that offends you?

I also like the twice the size argument. IIRC Trayvon Martín was also twice the size of George Zimmerman. Or so did many idiots claimed

Why are they idiots?

Zimmerman's only recorded was to judge him for his actions and execute him on the spot

Seriously bro.....go get the facts of the case, and then we can talk about this.

(Zimmerman followed Martin, did he not?)

Not a crime.

deserves the death penalty nowadays.

Trayvon was beating him, and the 911 call clearly shows Zimmerman screaming hysterically for "help". You make it sound like Zimmerman was supposed to take a few minutes to have a careful introspective thought process about how to handle the situation.

Testimony from the case says that Trayvon's hand touched the gun and said the words "you are going to die tonight" to zimmerman.

What exactly is your standard for a person to be in "legitimate" fear of their life?

[Jack Sawyer]

Doesn't matter. Why is this a concern for you? Just saying "my life was in danger" is not a free pass. They still investigate. The cops still have the power to decide you're an idiot and arrest you anyway.

And yet the victim is still shot dead. No investigation will resurrect this person

[BananaStand]

And yet the victim is still shot dead. No investigation will resurrect this person

I guess we shouldn't bother investigating any murders then. Not one single murder conviction has ever resulted in the resurrection of the victim. Should we stop now?

[Jack Sawyer]

Trayvon was beating him, and the 911 call clearly shows Zimmerman screaming hysterically for "help". You make it sound like Zimmerman was supposed to take a few minutes to have a careful introspective thought process about how to handle the situation.

Testimony from the case says that Trayvon's hand touched the gun and said the words "you are going to die tonight" to zimmerman.

What exactly is your standard for a person to be in "legitimate" fear of their life?

He touched whose/which gun? How did the gun get in play?

Ah, right.

[BananaStand]

How did the gun get in play?

Freedom. That's how.

[Jack Sawyer]

Not a crime.

You are looking for trouble if you randomly follow a person around, don't you?

Now, it is my argument that Zimmerman specifically followed Trayvon around BECAUSE he (Z) was carrying a gun. Without gun he wouldn't have done so.

Guns (in hands of bad actors) escalate situations immediately. I do not have to cite yet another US study on guns to demonstrate why the proliferation of guns is such a bad idea.

[BananaStand]

You are looking for trouble if you randomly follow a person around, don't you?

Maybe. That's not what Zimmerman was doing. He was in the neighborhood watch. And he was watching the neighborhood. Nothing random about it.

Now, it is my argument that Zimmerman specifically followed Trayvon around BECAUSE he (Z) was carrying a gun. Without gun he wouldn't have done so.

Crazy. But even so. Assume this is true....what's your point? Guns shouldn't be allowed?

Guns (in hands of bad actors) escalate situations immediately. I do not have to cite yet another US study on guns to demonstrate why the proliferation of guns is such a bad idea.

Stop with that. Shove all your studies up your corn hole. There's really only one study that counts. Google "CDC lives saved by guns".

the lives saved by responsible gun owners out numbers the lives taken by irresponsible gun owners by 100 to 1.

100 to 1 Jack.

ONE HUNDRED TO ONE

30,000 gun deaths per year in America (including 20,000 suicides). The CDC estimates that defensive firearm use saves upwards of THREE MILLION lives per year.

Ok....now.....what study would you like to talk about?

[Jack Sawyer]

Maybe. That's not what Zimmerman was doing. He was in the neighborhood watch. And he was watching the neighborhood. Nothing random about it.

Neighbourhood watch

Not neighbourhood follow

Crazy. But even so. Assume this is true....what's your point? Guns shouldn't be allowed?

Would have saved quite a few more lives than your BS study that comes up in a bit, wouldn't it?

Stop with that.

I'll stop when the senseless killings stop.

Shove all your studies up your corn hole.

Quite classy on your part.

There's really only one study that counts.

Sadly not how science works.

Google "CDC lives saved by guns".

Google number of gun murders in Japan per year. Then do the same, but add per capita.

the lives saved by responsible gun owners out numbers the lives taken by irresponsible gun owners by 100 to 1.

Wow. I'm so impressed.

100 to 1 Jack.

I already told you I was impressed.

ONE HUNDRED TO ONE

God damn it.

30,000 gun deaths per year in America (including 20,000 suicides).

NUMBER OONNNNEEEEEEEE!!!!!!!111!!!111!!!

The CDC estimates that defensive firearm use saves upwards of THREE MILLION lives per year.

Damn, by that logic, adding weapons to Japan, Hong Kong, Singapore, South Korea, Poland, Romania, The fucking UK, Germany, Belarus, Estonia, Czech Rep, Spain, motherfucking Qatar, Latvia, and more, would probably make them immortal. Do you want highlanders around?

Ok....now.....what study would you like to talk about?

Sigh

[BananaStand]

Do you want highlanders around?

I'm not worried....there can be only one

[BananaStand]

Neighbourhood watch

Not neighbourhood follow

Ridiculousness. Fuck off with this trolling. Let me know when you want to have a serious talk.

[Jack Sawyer]

Ridiculousness. Fuck off with this trolling. Let me know when you want to have a serious talk.

So being in the neighbourhood watch gives you a license to stalk.

Ok, got ya.