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  1. #1
    Quote Originally Posted by poop
    Or because they tend to face a lot of harrassment from the police.
    You know, if you are regularly hassled by police, you can complain about it. Most people have absolutely no interaction with police in a normal day. People get pulled over for whatever reason, the vast majority of people are compliant and, while probably slightly annoyed, don't consider this to be an unacceptable breach of freedom. The vast majority of people who attract regular police attention tend to deserve that attention. Those that don't, here's a useful link... https://policeconduct.gov.uk/complai...make-complaint

    That's great if someone is very slowly committing a murder or whatever.
    This is deliberately naive. The vast majority of calls for cops are going to be non-murder crimes, where being there in two minutes is possible, and better than being there in five minutes. Not sure why you're trying to belittle this point. Having a spread of cops around a city is obviously efficient policing when it comes to rapid response. And you surely understand that rapid response is important.

    Most calls they get are probably for accidents. They ned to be there fast to close roads, secure the crash scene, breathalise people before they fuck off, perhaps provide first aid. We've had two accidents outside our house in the last six months, on both occasions the same cop turned up within two minutes. It's not like they'r useless when on patrol.

    Most crimes are either over by the time the cops get there, or they aren't urgent.
    I don't think this is true. Not in a city. I'm in the countryside and still see response times of two minutes to a accident. My friend, a taxi driver, witness an incident in town where some guy seemed to be brandishing s shotgun. Withing two minutes again, there were armed police on the scene. Armed fucking police in a small town in two minutes. I think we're near a base, but the point is, police are regularly able to respond to urgent calls in good enough time to intervene. And the fact they are sometimes not able to respond fast enough, that's no reason to say "well sit at the station instead of driving around". Even if they only react to 20% of crimes in fast enough time, that's better than 0%.

    I'm talking about regular patrols, not crowd control. Sure if you have a mass of drunken people pouring out of the pubs at closing time, or out of a football match, have some cops around. The rest of the time, nah.
    Ok, but crime happens at any time, accidents happen at any time, I'm talking about cities here where there are hundreds of thousands of people. Even small towns like mine need rapid response.

    I think that's a big step. Maybe they could use some of that time they spend now aimlessly wandering around town to get some continuing training instead.
    Sure, but if they're at training, they're not able to respond to calls.
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    Quote Originally Posted by OngBonga View Post
    You know, if you are regularly hassled by police, you can complain about it. Most people have absolutely no interaction with police in a normal day. People get pulled over for whatever reason, the vast majority of people are compliant and, while probably slightly annoyed, don't consider this to be an unacceptable breach of freedom. The vast majority of people who attract regular police attention tend to deserve that attention. Those that don't, here's a useful link... https://policeconduct.gov.uk/complai...make-complaint
    I'm not talking about people getting pulled over for running a red light. I'm talking about DWB and the like.

    Just the other day I heard about a black man who bought a nice new car (legitmately) and started getting pulled over by the police on a regular basis. In the UK. The cops had a range of excuses for stopping him that were all obv. bullshit.

    And you think if he complains something is going to happen? You are living in a dreamworld.


    Quote Originally Posted by OngBonga View Post
    I'm in the countryside and still see response times of two minutes to a accident. My friend, a taxi driver, witness an incident in town where some guy seemed to be brandishing s shotgun. Withing two minutes again, there were armed police on the scene. Armed fucking police in a small town in two minutes. I think we're near a base,
    You're making my argument for me here. They came from the base. Or do you think the SAS are patrolling your streets just in case?



    Quote Originally Posted by OngBonga View Post
    Ok, but crime happens at any time, accidents happen at any time, I'm talking about cities here where there are hundreds of thousands of people. Even small towns like mine need rapid response.
    Traffic cops can deal with accidents. I don't have any problems with having police specifically out giving speeding tickets or responding to accidents. I have a problem with cops driving around aimlessly bored out of their minds just so it looks to us like they're doing something.



    Quote Originally Posted by OngBonga View Post
    Sure, but if they're at training, they're not able to respond to calls.
    They are if you're training them locally. They're also better able to respond because they're better trained.
    I just think we should suspend judgment on Boris until we have all the facts through an inquiry, police investigation, and parliamentary commission...then we should explode him.
    also,
    I'd like to be called Lord Poopy His Most Gloriously Excellent.
  3. #3
    Quote Originally Posted by OngBonga View Post


    Sure, but if they're at training, they're not able to respond to calls.
    I got tired of the walls of text, but this has to be the quote of the last few pages. IF YOU TRAIN THE COPS, THEY'LL BE TRAINING, AND IF THEY'RE TRAINING THEY CAN'T BE COPPING!!

    Edit: not gonna go searching for the quote, but just a bit further up thread you conclusively said you think they need more funding for better training, lol
  4. #4
    Quote Originally Posted by boost View Post
    I got tired of the walls of text, but this has to be the quote of the last few pages. IF YOU TRAIN THE COPS, THEY'LL BE TRAINING, AND IF THEY'RE TRAINING THEY CAN'T BE COPPING!!

    Edit: not gonna go searching for the quote, but just a bit further up thread you conclusively said you think they need more funding for better training, lol
    How incredibly disingenuous of you.

    Obviously I ma not saying they should not be trained at all, and obviously mojo is not saying they should be trained 100% of the time. It's somewhere in between and we're discussing if we agree if that balance is right.
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  5. #5
    Quote Originally Posted by OngBonga View Post
    How incredibly disingenuous of you.

    Obviously I ma not saying they should not be trained at all, and obviously mojo is not saying they should be trained 100% of the time. It's somewhere in between and we're discussing if we agree if that balance is right.
    He literally suggested more of their paid time should be time training, and you responded with "BUT THEN THEY CAN'T BE DOING COP STUFF!"

    disingenuous? wtf are you even talking about?

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