confusing my old mind!

[fishstick]

if everyone can stop abusing me just for second, i could use some insights on this one.

my take:

- preflop is fine

- post flop his $3 bet really made me think he paired the jack with a good kicker, i really wouldn't have expected a $3 bet on a flush/str draw (of course, 68s from early position ). and if he had pocket tt or jj, i would have expected some kind of PFR. i think my raise was appropriate and i wanted to win it there - my hand was potentially vulnerable.

- this is where i'm stuck - should i have called his turn raise? i was still thinking no flush.

- the river diamond - i know i'm dead.

it's too much for my old brain.

***** Hand History for Game 623964436 *****
0/0 TexasHTGameTable (NL) - Tue May 25 01:58:24 EDT 2004
Table Gimlet (Real Money) -- Seat 2 is the button
Total number of players : 9
Seat 1: ku1085 ( $24)
Seat 2: xSparkyx ( $35.05)
Seat 3: SheSays79 ( $103)
Seat 4: glassblower ( $19)
Seat 5: MrDioon ( $33.35)
Seat 6: bungeemike ( $48.65)
Seat 7: fishstick ( $16)
Seat 9: G_R_H ( $18.50)
Seat 10: PP_is_rigged ( $25)
SheSays79 posts small blind (0.25)
glassblower posts big blind (0.50)
PP_is_rigged posts big blind (0.50)
** Dealing down cards **
Dealt to fishstick [ Jh, Ts ]
MrDioon calls (0.50)
bungeemike calls (0.50)
fishstick calls (0.50)
G_R_H calls (0.50)
PP_is_rigged checks.
ku1085 folds.
xSparkyx folds.
SheSays79 calls (0.25)
glassblower checks.
** Dealing Flop ** : [ 3d, Tc, Jd ]
SheSays79 checks.
glassblower checks.
MrDioon bets (3)
bungeemike folds.
fishstick raises (8) to 8
G_R_H folds.
PP_is_rigged folds.
SheSays79 folds.
glassblower folds.
MrDioon calls (5)
** Dealing Turn ** : [ 2d ]
MrDioon bets (8)
fishstick calls (7.50)
fishstick is all-In.
** Dealing River ** : [ 7d ]
Creating Main Pot with $32.80 with acesNeightss
** Summary **
Main Pot: $32.80 | Side Pot 1: $0.50 | Rake: $1.70
Board: [ 3d Tc Jd 2d 7d ]
ku1085 balance $24, didn't bet (folded)
xSparkyx balance $35.05, didn't bet (folded)
SheSays79 balance $102.50, lost $0.50 (folded)
glassblower balance $18.50, lost $0.50 (folded)
MrDioon balance $50.15, bet $16.50, collected $33.30, net +$16.80 [ 8d 6d ] [ a flush, jack high -- Jd,8d,7d,6d,3d ]
bungeemike balance $48.15, lost $0.50 (folded)
fishstick balance $0, lost $16 [ Jh Ts ] [ two pairs, jacks and tens -- Jh,Jd,Ts,Tc,7d ]
pogie345 balance $25, sits out
G_R_H balance $18, lost $0.50 (folded)
PP_is_rigged balance $24.50, lost $0.50 (folded)

[scgolfer]

My take is bad luck to a moron, who called your flop raise. After the turn, and his bet, I think you have to put him on it and think your two pair is beat. By either the set or the flush. With so many people limping with 10 10 or JJ, such as some of the folks here, he could of had the set.

[johnnyawe]

Your flop raise was perfect. He was semi-bluffing and you caught him. He is a moron for calling it.

I have no clue what I would have done on his turn bet.

I have a player note that I find myself using more and more that would apply to this guy: "Will can ANY BET no matter how high if he has a flush draw"

[fishstick]

I have a player note that I find myself using more and more that would apply to this guy: "Will can ANY BET no matter how high if he has a flush draw"

i'll append to your comment "... or a straight draw".

the crazy thing: if we were both sitting there with $100 stacks, i could have gone all-in and i'm sure he still would have called, just with the draw.

thanks for the feedback, guys.

[heatman]

I've run into the "will call any bet for a flush draw" guys myself, and you gotta make them pay. But usually they're drawing to a better flush.

As far as betting his flush draw, I do it all the time. If I know I can call a certain bet, then I bet it first if I get a chance. Does at least three things for me.

First, if you're against others who all missed, you might win right there.

Second, it hides the fact that I'm on a flush draw. When my flush card hits, I get more callers.

Finally, it has a tendency to keep me in the pot. After I bet, say 1/3 of the pot, a lot of mediocre hands aren't going to go over the top and give me a chance to re-raise.

The drawback, of course is when the opponent has a good hand and comes over the top. You either lose your initial bet, or end up calling more than you could have. Often you end up with the pot odds to call that raise, but wouldn't have if you'd had to put it in in one chunk.