FTR Showdown 4: Dr No Chance vs Fnord

[Fnord]

Would love to see what the Dr had in hands 123 and 135

*********** # 123 **************
PokerStars Game #599227795: Tournament #2241263, Hold'em No Limit - Level VIII (200/400) - 2004/08/07 - 16:59:33 (ET)
Table '2241263 1' Seat #7 is the button
Seat 3: Dr No Chance (12085 in chips)
Seat 4: scgolfer (9190 in chips)
Seat 5: djp021 (8465 in chips)
Seat 6: johnnyawe (9562 in chips)
Seat 7: HenryFnord (9248 in chips)
Seat 9: CBBWW (5450 in chips)
Dr No Chance: posts the ante 25
scgolfer: posts the ante 25
djp021: posts the ante 25
johnnyawe: posts the ante 25
HenryFnord: posts the ante 25
CBBWW: posts the ante 25
CBBWW: posts small blind 200
Dr No Chance: posts big blind 400
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to HenryFnord [Qs Kd]
scgolfer: folds
djp021: folds
johnnyawe: folds
michael1123 [observer] said, "no chopping in FTR tournies "
HenryFnord: raises 700 to 1100
CBBWW said, "sure I'll chop"
scgolfer said, "lol"
CBBWW said, "lol"
CBBWW: folds
Dr No Chance: raises 1300 to 2400
HenryFnord: calls 1300
*** FLOP *** [Jc Td 7h]
michael1123 [observer] said, "unless you guys want to cut the t-shirt 6 ways"
Dr No Chance: bets 3200
HenryFnord: raises 3623 to 6823 and is all-in
Dr No Chance: folds
scgolfer said, "i already have one fnords going to have two"
HenryFnord collected 11550 from pot
HenryFnord: doesn't show hand
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot 11550 | Rake 0
Board [Jc Td 7h]
Seat 3: Dr No Chance (big blind) folded on the Flop
Seat 4: scgolfer folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 5: djp021 folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 6: johnnyawe folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 7: HenryFnord (button) collected (11550)
Seat 9: CBBWW (small blind) folded before Flop

*********** # 135 **************
PokerStars Game #599252920: Tournament #2241263, Hold'em No Limit - Level IX (300/600) - 2004/08/07 - 17:10:58 (ET)
Table '2241263 1' Seat #7 is the button
Seat 3: Dr No Chance (9635 in chips)
Seat 4: scgolfer (5940 in chips)
Seat 5: djp021 (7715 in chips)
Seat 6: johnnyawe (6012 in chips)
Seat 7: HenryFnord (15998 in chips)
Seat 9: CBBWW (8700 in chips)
Dr No Chance: posts the ante 50
scgolfer: posts the ante 50
djp021: posts the ante 50
johnnyawe: posts the ante 50
HenryFnord: posts the ante 50
CBBWW: posts the ante 50
CBBWW: posts small blind 300
Dr No Chance: posts big blind 600
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to HenryFnord [Qc Kd]
scgolfer: folds
djp021: folds
johnnyawe: folds
HenryFnord: raises 900 to 1500
CBBWW: folds
Dr No Chance: raises 1500 to 3000
CBBWW said, "lol"
HenryFnord: calls 1500
*** FLOP *** [Qd 3c 8h]
Dr No Chance: checks
HenryFnord: checks
*** TURN *** [Qd 3c 8h] [Kh]
Dr No Chance: checks
davfagan [observer] said, "spend a winter (or 4 like me) in the upper peninsula of Michigan, and then any California weather is great"
HenryFnord: bets 12948 and is all-in
Dr No Chance: folds
CBBWW said, "mpp"
HenryFnord collected 6600 from pot
HenryFnord: doesn't show hand
johnnyawe said, "i've spent many in pennsylvania"
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot 6600 | Rake 0
Board [Qd 3c 8h Kh]
Seat 3: Dr No Chance (big blind) folded on the Turn
Seat 4: scgolfer folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 5: djp021 folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 6: johnnyawe folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 7: HenryFnord (button) collected (6600)
Seat 9: CBBWW (small blind) folded before Flop

*********** # 159 **************
PokerStars Game #599283438: Tournament #2241263, Hold'em No Limit - Level IX (300/600) - 2004/08/07 - 17:24:51 (ET)
Table '2241263 1' Seat #3 is the button
Seat 3: Dr No Chance (9646 in chips)
Seat 6: johnnyawe (4324 in chips)
Seat 7: HenryFnord (13530 in chips)
Seat 9: CBBWW (26500 in chips)
Dr No Chance: posts the ante 50
johnnyawe: posts the ante 50
HenryFnord: posts the ante 50
CBBWW: posts the ante 50
johnnyawe: posts small blind 300
HenryFnord: posts big blind 600
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to HenryFnord [2h Qs]
CBBWW: folds
Dr No Chance: calls 600
johnnyawe: calls 300
HenryFnord: checks
*** FLOP *** [4c Qh Td]
johnnyawe: checks
HenryFnord: checks
Dr No Chance: bets 2400
johnnyawe: folds
CBBWW said, "damn flop lag"
HenryFnord: raises 10480 to 12880 and is all-in
Dr No Chance: calls 6596 and is all-in
*** TURN *** [4c Qh Td] [Th]
*** RIVER *** [4c Qh Td Th] [Kc]
*** SHOW DOWN ***
HenryFnord: shows [2h Qs] (two pair, Queens and Tens)
Dr No Chance: shows [Ts Ks] (a full house, Tens full of Kings)
johnnyawe said, "omg"
dwarfman1990 [observer] said, "oh bingo bango bongo"
Dr No Chance collected 19992 from pot
Dr No Chance said, "lol"
CBBWW said, "slap"
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot 19992 | Rake 0
Board [4c Qh Td Th Kc]
Seat 3: Dr No Chance (button) showed [Ts Ks] and won (19992) with a full house, Tens full of Kings
Seat 6: johnnyawe (small blind) folded on the Flop
Seat 7: HenryFnord (big blind) showed [2h Qs] and lost with two pair, Queens and Tens
Seat 9: CBBWW folded before Flop (didn't bet)

[michael1123]

No idea on the first. The second looks like AJ or AT. Clearly the board gave him no help.

[DrNoChance]

I'll get the history. Second hand was ace something suited. I had an overcard + flush draw with one card to go, which made it a fairly easy fold. I think I may have done a long pause here before folding just for show.

[DrNoChance]

*********** # 164 **************
PokerStars Game #599227795: Tournament #2241263, Hold'em No Limit - Level VIII
(200/400) - 2004/08/07 - 16:59:33 (ET)
Table '2241263 1' Seat #7 is the button
Seat 3: Dr No Chance (12085 in chips)
Seat 4: scgolfer (9190 in chips)
Seat 5: djp021 (8465 in chips)
Seat 6: johnnyawe (9562 in chips)
Seat 7: HenryFnord (9248 in chips)
Seat 9: CBBWW (5450 in chips)
Dr No Chance: posts the ante 25
scgolfer: posts the ante 25
djp021: posts the ante 25
johnnyawe: posts the ante 25
HenryFnord: posts the ante 25
CBBWW: posts the ante 25
CBBWW: posts small blind 200
Dr No Chance: posts big blind 400
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to Dr No Chance [Ah 9d]
scgolfer: folds
djp021: folds
johnnyawe: folds
michael1123 [observer] said, "no chopping in FTR tournies "
HenryFnord: raises 700 to 1100
CBBWW said, "sure I'll chop"
scgolfer said, "lol"
CBBWW said, "lol"
CBBWW: folds
Dr No Chance: raises 1300 to 2400
HenryFnord: calls 1300
*** FLOP *** [Jc Td 7h]
michael1123 [observer] said, "unless you guys want to cut the t-shirt 6 ways"
Dr No Chance: bets 3200
HenryFnord: raises 3623 to 6823 and is all-in
Dr No Chance: folds
scgolfer said, "i already have one fnords going to have two"
HenryFnord collected 11550 from pot
HenryFnord: doesn't show hand
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot 11550 | Rake 0
Board [Jc Td 7h]
Seat 3: Dr No Chance (big blind) folded on the Flop
Seat 4: scgolfer folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 5: djp021 folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 6: johnnyawe folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 7: HenryFnord (button) collected (11550)
Seat 9: CBBWW (small blind) folded before Flop

Blind defense here, didn't re-raise you enough to make you fold considering that you have post-flop position. If I push back harder, I think I get you to fold. I didn't push back hard enough. When nothing Q or higher comes on the flop I figure I'll swing at it considering that I've shown strength and hope you put me on AJ or a solid PP and fold. No such luck. Again, I should have pushed back harder pre-flop if I wanted you to bail.



*********** # 176 **************
PokerStars Game #599252920: Tournament #2241263, Hold'em No Limit - Level IX
(300/600) - 2004/08/07 - 17:10:58 (ET)
Table '2241263 1' Seat #7 is the button
Seat 3: Dr No Chance (9635 in chips)
Seat 4: scgolfer (5940 in chips)
Seat 7: HenryFnord (15998 in chips)
Seat 9: CBBWW (8700 in chips)
Seat 5: djp021 (7715 in chips)
Seat 6: johnnyawe (6012 in chips)
Dr No Chance: posts the ante 50
scgolfer: posts the ante 50
djp021: posts the ante 50
johnnyawe: posts the ante 50
HenryFnord: posts the ante 50
CBBWW: posts the ante 50
CBBWW: posts small blind 300
Dr No Chance: posts big blind 600
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to Dr No Chance [Ah 2h]
scgolfer: folds
djp021: folds
johnnyawe: folds
HenryFnord: raises 900 to 1500
CBBWW: folds
Dr No Chance: raises 1500 to 3000
CBBWW said, "lol"
HenryFnord: calls 1500
*** FLOP *** [Qd 3c 8h]
Dr No Chance: checks
HenryFnord: checks
*** TURN *** [Qd 3c 8h] [Kh]
Dr No Chance: checks
davfagan [observer] said, "spend a winter (or 4 like me) in the upper peninsula
of Michigan, and then any California weather is great"
HenryFnord: bets 12948 and is all-in
Dr No Chance: folds
CBBWW said, "mpp"
HenryFnord collected 6600 from pot
HenryFnord: doesn't show hand
johnnyawe said, "i've spent many in pennsylvania"
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot 6600 | Rake 0
Board [Qd 3c 8h Kh]
Seat 3: Dr No Chance (big blind) folded on the Turn
Seat 4: scgolfer folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 7: HenryFnord (button) collected (6600)
Seat 9: CBBWW (small blind) folded before Flop
Seat 5: djp021 folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 6: johnnyawe folded before Flop (didn't bet)


Another blind defense. Gutsy with a weak ace, but I wanted SO badly for you to leave my blinds alone. Again, I don't think I pushed back hard enough to make a marginal hand fold since you are going to have post-flop position. Thought very hard about swinging at the pot on the flop since I've represented strength, but decided that I'll respect the fact a decent face card flopped that I don't have. I'm also a little timid since the last time I tried that play you came over the top of me. When the turn comes with yet another face card I don't have and you raise big I'm done with this hand despite my few outs.

Just curious...how big a re-raise pre-flop would it have taken to make you go away in each of these hands? I correctly guessed you were raising with non-ace non-PP hands in each case, but obviously didn't push back hard enough. All-in would have been a bit extreme since only a dominating hand calls me (probably a better ace), although in the second example I'm already putting like a third of my stack in there anyways so AI may have been the way to go for my bluff.

I love the hand where you pushed back all-in with 2 overcards + a str8 draw. Pretty standard play, but some might have been timid considering you're not sure how strong my hand is (considering the pre-flop action). Nice.

[Fnord]

Thanks for sharing. The neat thing about Showdowns is the ability to compare notes with other solid players afterwards.

Blind defense here, didn't re-raise you enough to make you fold considering that you have post-flop position. If I push back harder, I think I get you to fold. I didn't push back hard enough. When nothing Q or higher comes on the flop I figure I'll swing at it considering that I've shown strength and hope you put me on AJ or a solid PP and fold. No such luck. Again, I should have pushed back harder pre-flop if I wanted you to bail.

If you show me AJ, I'm still calling once I saw the flop.

Just curious...how big a re-raise pre-flop would it have taken to make you go away in each of these hands? I correctly guessed you were raising with non-ace non-PP hands in each case, but obviously didn't push back hard enough. All-in would have been a bit extreme since only a dominating hand calls me (probably a better ace), although in the second example I'm already putting like a third of my stack in there anyways so AI may have been the way to go for my bluff.

All-in might make me fold KQ. I have enough all-in value to call if I think you're pushing back thin I call. It really depends on how selective you've been pushing back up until then. Once the blinds get silly, it's all about blind wars and picking your spot to gamble (if you're not willing to gamble you lose by default.) I knew you guys weren't calling thin, so I was splashing around a lot and in the process some otherwise solid players came back at me with weak holdings. Overall, I think I only made one mistake playing blind wars, however it was a pretty big one.

[Fnord]

Re: hand 164

I was at the bookstore yesterday and browsed through Bobby Baldwin's HE book. One of the more interesting tidbits was "don't bluff at a board with a Jack and a Ten."

[DrNoChance]

Funny you bring that up. I've been thinking about this hand a lot. You stood a re-raise on this hand pre-flop, meaning that there's a good, good chance you've got two high cards in your hand, meaning:

1. You've hit something on the flop

OR (and this is more likely)

2. You've got 2 overcards AND a draw to the high straight for an ideal semi-bluff situation.

Why exactly did I think I could get you to fold here? Did I hope you'd put me on JJ or TT??

Stupid, stupid play. Lesson learned.

dwarfman1990 [observer] said, "oh bingo bango bongo"

Hmmm I sound worryingly like Mike Sexton there. Or maybe I was just excited, with it being Showdown day and everything,