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[MrSlippery]

PokerStars Game #748757582: Tournament #2877089, Hold'em No Limit - Level V (75/150) - 2004/10/06 - 17:17:13 (ET)
Table '2877089 30' Seat #9 is the button
Seat 1: rutasasha (6775 in chips)
Seat 2: lvstraddle (1650 in chips)
Seat 4: KingKong28 (6705 in chips)
Seat 5: KDawg0002 (4755 in chips)
Seat 6: nycjoshie (3120 in chips)
Seat 7: getty1942 (10755 in chips)
Seat 8: chibbytwo (4405 in chips)
Seat 9: greenwich (2165 in chips)
rutasasha: posts small blind 75
lvstraddle: posts big blind 150
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to KDawg0002 [8d 8h]
KingKong28: folds
YO TOK is connected
KDawg0002: raises 300 to 450
nycjoshie: folds
getty1942: raises 300 to 750
chibbytwo: folds
greenwich: folds
rutasasha: folds
lvstraddle: folds
KDawg0002: calls 300
*** FLOP *** [8s 3h Ad]
KDawg0002: bets 450
getty1942: calls 450
*** TURN *** [8s 3h Ad] [4h]
KDawg0002: bets 750
getty1942: calls 750
*** RIVER *** [8s 3h Ad 4h] [Jh]
KDawg0002: bets 1200
getty1942: raises 1200 to 2400
KDawg0002: calls 1200

[|~|ypermegachi]

wow that's a tough one....i would put him with a pocket pair...i would call this.

[Radashack]

I would probably put him on an A or potentially another Pocket pair, possibly Jacks, but I would called it down, however I probably would have bet more at the turn.

[michael1123]

Are you just talking about the raise on the river? You should be worried, but its a rather easy call with all you've put in by this point and it being a minimum raise.

If I had to put them on a hand I'd say AKh or AQh, but that's partially because you've posted it like this. I'd be shocked if you were asking advice on a hand you called down on and won. AJ is the only possibility that makes a lot of sense that you beat, but sometimes people don't make a lot of sense as well.

Its a crying call situation.

[MrSlippery]

Ok, here's the rest.

*** SHOW DOWN ***
getty1942: shows [As Ah] (three of a kind, Aces)
KDawg0002: mucks hand
getty1942 collected 8925 from pot
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot 8925 | Rake 0
Board [8s 3h Ad 4h Jh]
Seat 1: rutasasha (small blind) folded before Flop
Seat 2: lvstraddle (big blind) folded before Flop
Seat 4: KingKong28 folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 5: KDawg0002 mucked [8d 8h] - three of a kind, Eights
Seat 6: nycjoshie folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 7: getty1942 showed [As Ah] and won (8925) with three of a kind, Aces
Seat 8: chibbytwo folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 9: greenwich (button) folded before Flop (didn't bet)

Now, its clear I got outplayed here, but at what point, before the river, should I have caught this?

The way I read it with the original raise was possibly AK or AQ with the big stack trying to bully me. At this point I'm thinking I've had better reads.

I think the main thing I want to know is whether I should have called the pre-flop re-raise or not. In hindsight it looks like he's trying to get more chips in the pot, and if he was trying to steal he would have gone bigger.

Unfortunately, hindsight can't save me from the bad man with the rockets until next time.

[stuck]

Why the large PFR there? 88 isn't that great of a hand...

[PipeLN]

New to the forum....just thought I would post my thoughts on pocket pairs on Pokerstars.

If I get a pocket pair and someone else raises, the first thing I assume is that he has a pocket pair also. Too many times it seems that there are two per pot and then at least one the next hand. I don't know if this is a flaw in the system or not. I do know that I use this knowledge to my advantage whenever I can. In your case though, I would have called the big bet on the river.

PipeLN

[MrSlippery]

Why the large PFR there? 88 isn't that great of a hand...

It's not really that big a raise with the BB at 150 and it can fold out Ax and some unsuited face cards, but for some reason it won't fold out AA.
If it was up to me, they would've just handed over the blinds, and I could have avoided this whole mess.

It's not a hand that I would call a big raise with, but it is a hand that I will raise with if I'm first in. Besides, pre-flop, this hand is at least a slight favorite against everything but higher pocket pairs.

[Scotch Rock]

I would have been tempted to fold 88 when hit with the pre-flop re-raise. A middle pair will not stand up well 9-handed, and you are still early in the tournament (being at table #30).

I like your pre-flop raise, but not the call of the re-raise (even if he has been a bully).

Once you hit the set on the flop, I think you played it about right. You have to assume that in most cases you have his high pair or two pair beat and can take him to the cleaners. Just a bad beat at that point.

[Fnord]

You're all a bunch of sissies.

Call the pre-flop raise for set value alone. Given the stack sizes AA made a *big* mistake making it less than 10% of your stack to call.

Post-flop I can't get my chips into the center of the table fast enough! He shows you AK/AQ/AJ/A-whatever way often enough. Re-raise the river. I think you're good more than 50%.

The only thing tragic here is that the poker gods blessed some twit incapable of anything more than calling and min-raising pocket Aces.

[Fnord]

New to the forum....just thought I would post my thoughts on pocket pairs on Pokerstars.

If I get a pocket pair and someone else raises, the first thing I assume is that he has a pocket pair also. Too many times it seems that there are two per pot and then at least one the next hand. I don't know if this is a flaw in the system or not. I do know that I use this knowledge to my advantage whenever I can. In your case though, I would have called the big bet on the river.

Because we all know online poker is rigged. Way to beat the man at his own twisted game!

Welcome to the forum, I guess...

[koolmoe]

My first guess would have been AJ as he comes alive on the river.

That both stacks didn't make it to the center is unbelievable.

[Fnord]

My first guess would have been AJ as he comes alive on the river.

Nahh, it's slow play. Just a matter of what he was slow playing.

[allLiving]

Too many times it seems that there are two per pot and then at least one the next hand. I don't know if this is a flaw in the system...

Hahah! Right! It's alllll rigged against you!