too maniac?

[fishstick]

i caught some crap about this one at the table, and just wondered if this was too aggressive.

my thinking (just a few hands into it, so no read):

preflop - my call was fine

postflop - his all-in reraise says he's afraid of the flush, and probably doesn't have a high club. when i called, i was sure i was behind to a bigger pair (and praying he didn't have AK clubs), but was sure i would take it if i hit the flush (or another T for the set). i felt i had the outs to make the call.

thoughts?

Party Poker No-Limit Hold'em Tourney, Big Blind is t15 (9 handed)

UTG+1 (t800)
MP1 (t770)
MP2 (t830)
Hero (t790)
CO (t770)
Button (t1660)
SB (t785)
BB (t325)
UTG (t1270)

Preflop: Hero is MP3 with T, T.
UTG folds, UTG+1 folds, MP1 folds, MP2 calls t15, Hero calls t15, CO raises to t75, Button folds, SB folds, BB folds, MP2 folds, Hero calls t60.

Flop: (t190) 2, 3, J (2 players)
Hero bets t150, CO raises to t695 (All-In), Hero calls t545.

Turn: (t1580) 4 (2 players, 1 all-in)

River: (t1580) A (2 players, 1 all-in)

Final Pot: t1580

[Corey]

You caught some crap at the table?

Oh no you mean you got called a f**** loser and a f***** joke. NAh cant be thats ripptydes signature.

Well 3 clubs out there I guess you had a good read on him and such.

I might not have called his all in though...

[koolmoe]

An aggressive player makes this play with AK or AQ with one club as well. An overpair with no club or JJ are possibilities as well, IMO, and my guess is that an overpair is his holding here.

I think you're ahead often enough and have a redraw often enough to make this call.

Why didn't you raise the flop, BTW?

[fishstick]

An aggressive player makes this play with AK or AQ with one club as well. An overpair with no club or JJ are possibilities as well, IMO, and my guess is that an overpair is his holding here.

I think you're ahead often enough and have a redraw often enough to make this call.

Why didn't you raise the flop, BTW?

you are correct, sir, he held red AA. and i just had the "sense" that it was a "dammit, i've got AA or KK with no club, and i don't like the flop, so screw it, i'm just going all-in".

regarding not raising preflop: i actually had typed a raise, set it back to call, typed a raise again, and finally settled on call. from the button/CO, i would have definitely raised (if not raised before me), but in middle position, even late MP, i'm leery about raising TT preflop on a mostly full table. this is partially due to party's low starting chip amount - and the wildness of so many of the $20 tourney players. it isn't unusual for the A3 off gambling limper to reraise you all-in now that you've "made it interesting."

[koolmoe]

regarding not raising preflop: i actually had typed a raise, set it back to call, typed a raise again, and finally settled on call. from the button/CO, i would have definitely raised (if not raised before me), but in middle position, even late MP, i'm leery about raising TT preflop on a mostly full table. this is partially due to party's low starting chip amount - and the wildness of so many of the $20 tourney players. it isn't unusual for the A3 off gambling limper to reraise you all-in now that you've "made it interesting."

I think you've got to raise to T$40 from 2 off the button, to buy the button if nothing else. TT is a strong holding if you can get heads up with MP2, but it loses a lot of value if CO and button limp, SB completes, and BB checks his option. If CO reraises you, I think you've got an easier decision than you had on the flop.

[fishstick]

I think you've got to raise to T$40 from 2 off the button, to buy the button if nothing else. TT is a strong holding if you can get heads up with MP2, but it loses a lot of value if CO and button limp, SB completes, and BB checks his option. If CO reraises you, I think you've got an easier decision than you had on the flop.

very good point! it would have actually given me more information to work with on the flop.

the amusing thing about this - the guy i knocked out was just to my left between me and the guy that was giving me crap (i never responded). so "crap giving guy" was the BB when i was the SB for the rest of the tourney. and everytime we had the blinds (mainly due to me gettting hands), i raised his BB . he had chip lead, but was passive post flop so i wore him down. i did win the sng.

[FlyingSaucy]

I think the guy who went all in with an overpair on that board is actually the one being too aggressive. So many people forget that an overpair is STILL JUST A PAIR, and will play it like it's a couple of gold nuggets regardless of if it meshes with the flop.

Regarding your all in call... It was very dangerous. I'm not sure I could have made it.

Assuming he has an overpair and he doesnt have a club, you are still an underdog. If he has the club you are screwed.
If he doesnt have the overpair, what plausible hand could he be playing preflop and post flop like this? A made flush, probably AK, like you said.

The only other possibility is that (since it's early in the tourney it is hard to get a feel for his preflop play....) maybe he made trip Jacks. In that case you are hosed because not even a T will help you. The preflop play definitely does not put JJ out of the question. I've seen maniacs raise t100 preflop on the button early in the tourney with 99.