Early in a tourney

[LeFou]

I got pretty low on chips by rivering a set of 3s, but the 3 that came was the fourth spade on the board, and the fourth card in a straight draw, so I had to let it go.

What do you think of this? Raise QJs preflop?

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PokerStars Game #965153270: Tournament #4002598, Hold'em No Limit -
Level IV (50/100) - 2004/12/16 - 14:13:32 (ET)
Table '4002598 1' Seat #9 is the button
Seat 1: SRVBlues (2285 in chips)
Seat 2: BARRIE (1025 in chips)
Seat 3: pford65 (3075 in chips)
Seat 4: dnorris07 (2245 in chips)
Seat 5: ChopperJoe (865 in chips)
Seat 8: AODIII (3250 in chips)
Seat 9: NuWere (755 in chips)
SRVBlues: posts small blind 50
BARRIE: posts big blind 100
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to NuWere [Qs Js]
pford65: calls 100
dnorris07: folds
ChopperJoe: folds
AODIII: calls 100
NuWere: calls 100
SRVBlues: folds
BARRIE: checks
*** FLOP *** [9c 4s Td]
BARRIE: checks
pford65: bets 200
AODIII: folds
NuWere: calls 200
BARRIE: folds
*** TURN *** [9c 4s Td] [8d]
pford65: bets 500
NuWere: calls 455 and is all-in

[Humphrind]

Yea, I'm gonna say in your position, and with your stack, you may want to push this and pre-flop. However, I can see why you did what you did. You knew that the only hand that would call an all-in would be a dominating hand. And you wanted to catch something before you bet into it. Kinda weak, but I can understand it.

Post flop play looked fine. but I say if you decided you are going to chase your OSD, go ahead and push all-in here. Tell him you mean business and try to take the pot down, which assures you money if he folds or if you hit.

[FlyingSaucy]

I'd say short stacked in LP, either fold preflop or go all in on the flop. Either way, the turn looks like good news for you, so it's always nice to bet call with the current nut hand.
I'm guessing pford65 is betting with TPGK like KT, or possibly pocket 4s. Either way he is probably playing it right....

[LeFou]

I say if you decided you are going to chase your OSD, go ahead and push all-in here. Tell him you mean business and try to take the pot down.

I don't generally like to do that unless I raised PF -- the idea being that opp will put you on something that's already really good.

Well, it turns out really yucky, as opp was doing what Humph recommends here: pushing a hand that was good and also had a draw. But on the Turn?!?! With any 7 holding a straight (to say nothing of my nuts)? IMO turn was a terrible bet... what do you think?

*** RIVER *** [9c 4s Td 8d] [6d]
*** SHOW DOWN ***
pford65: shows [4d 9d] (a flush, Ten high)
NuWere: shows [Qs Js] (a straight, Eight to Queen)
pford65 collected 1760 from pot

[FlyingSaucy]

Any 7 has the straight on the river, not the turn. But your point is taken.

I think both of you probably played it right, with the exception of pford's utterly ridiculous PF limp with 94s. There's no way to put him on that hand post flop, and even still you have the better of it when you called his all in. I don't think you could have played it much better.

Just be happy that flushes like this are what make the idiots with any two suited cards continue to play hands that cost 1/8th of their stack to limp into the flop. 80% of the SnG's this guy plays he's probably placing 5th-10th, but those 20% where he hit a monster hand that no one would expect any sane player to hit make him feel it's all worth it.

[TylerK]

I say if you decided you are going to chase your OSD, go ahead and push all-in here. Tell him you mean business and try to take the pot down.

I don't generally like to do that unless I raised PF -- the idea being that opp will put you on something that's already really good.

Well, it turns out really yucky, as opp was doing what Humph recommends here: pushing a hand that was good and also had a draw. But on the Turn?!?! With any 7 holding a straight (to say nothing of my nuts)? IMO turn was a terrible bet... what do you think?

*** RIVER *** [9c 4s Td 8d] [6d]
*** SHOW DOWN ***
pford65: shows [4d 9d] (a flush, Ten high)
NuWere: shows [Qs Js] (a straight, Eight to Queen)
pford65 collected 1760 from pot

Your entire stack at the beginning of the hand is less than 1/4 of his. If I were in his position I would make his bet every time. If you don't have the straight, he takes down the pot there. If you do and call (since you can't raise), he has 15 outs for the river.

Edit: 13 outs, not 15.