Yep misread sorry! Well 5 folds doesn't mean much, but yes discounts him being a fish for sure.

You don't think min raising here is enough of a raise. MP is facing ~$7 raise from SB AND a ~$7 raise from you when it comes back around to him. That's ~140bbs, and that' is huge.

Again we're not talking about value raising in the sense that we think he will necessarily continue wtih worse. But as you say, the pot is huge and we're wanting to make it HU with SB and take it down now. Because like you said, if we just flat, then MP is getting great odds on a call with his draws.