300bb deep, OOP, bloated pot - flop goes crazy

Yep misread sorry! Well 5 folds doesn't mean much, but yes discounts him being a fish for sure.

You don't think min raising here is enough of a raise. MP is facing ~$7 raise from SB AND a ~$7 raise from you when it comes back around to him. That's ~140bbs, and that' is huge.

Again we're not talking about value raising in the sense that we think he will necessarily continue wtih worse. But as you say, the pot is huge and we're wanting to make it HU with SB and take it down now. Because like you said, if we just flat, then MP is getting great odds on a call with his draws.

Originally Posted by griffey24

You don't think min raising here is enough of a raise. MP is facing ~$7 raise from SB AND a ~$7 raise from you when it comes back around to him. That's ~140bbs, and that' is huge.

Yeah, it is, but the pot would be ~380bb and I think a lot of people are calling that even without odds just because of the bloated pot. It's certainly better than flatting, I'm just not sure it's big enough to isolate us with SB a lot of the time.

Then again, maybe trying to isolate is not actually best - I mean, if SB has us crushed, and we're not folding (which I don't feel like we can given the odds we're getting, even though it's entirely possible SB does have us crushed), it's better to keep MP along with his draws by raising to a size that makes a call incorrect for him, but doesn't make him fold them.