75s vs short stack

iPoker - €0.02 NL (6 max) - Holdem - 5 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 4

CO: €2.40 (VPIP: 41.38, PFR: 24.14, 3Bet Preflop: 7.14, Hands: 29)
Hero (BTN): €2.00
SB: €3.26 (VPIP: 24.06, PFR: 17.29, 3Bet Preflop: 6.98, Hands: 135)
BB: €2.02 (VPIP: 10.20, PFR: 8.16, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 49)
UTG: €0.71 (VPIP: 56.25, PFR: 6.25, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 16)

SB posts SB €0.01, BB posts BB €0.02

Pre Flop: (pot: €0.03) Hero has 7 5

UTG calls €0.02, fold, Hero raises to €0.08, fold, fold, UTG calls €0.06

Flop: (€0.19, 2 players) Q J 9
UTG checks, Hero checks

Turn: (€0.19, 2 players) 8
UTG checks, Hero bets €0.13, UTG calls €0.13

River: (€0.45, 2 players) T
UTG checks, Hero bets €0.52, UTG calls €0.50

PF) What am I going to bet the flop here with? Draws? Vs short stack? Very little implied odds. I should fold here.
F) With very little implied odds I'm behind here so check behind is good.
T) Bet a bit bigger here so I don't have to overbet OTR.
R) Over bet signals I have the nuts even to the biggest fish at 2nl so maybe should have bet just under pot.

Why are you ISO raising 75s vs an utg shortstack 56/6 fish? Just fold pre.

Originally Posted by DJAbacus

Very little implied odds.

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PF) What am I going to bet the flop here with? Draws? Vs short stack? Very little implied odds. I should fold here.

i could see myself raising or flatting there , but i want to know his tendencys. pre he likes to see a flop but how does he act after the flop , is he fit or fold or does he just keep calling.flatting to see a cheap flop with a speculative hand in position looks bad in this case as SB looks the sort that will isolate two limpers with a wide range and even with position i wouldn't want to call a raise . folding is the best option especially if you don't have good hand reading skills.

F) With big reverse implied odds I'm behind here so check behind is good.

FYP . even if you hit your flush you are never gonna be sure that you have the best hand , you want to play this for a small pot . if you play a large pot you likely lose a big pot and if you turn a a river club has you fearing all the high cards

T) Bet a bit bigger here so I don't have to overbet OTR.

bet size looks fine as board is really scary for most hands now with a straight and flush completing

R) Over bet signals I have the nuts even to the biggest fish at 2nl so maybe should have bet just under pot.

You DON'T have the nuts . the nuts is QcTc followed by Acxc. SO why bet big when the only hands you beat are Kx and smaller flushes . Tx likely folds fearing a K or flush. between third and half pot is plenty there. At 2nl you are unlikely to get bluff shoved over so if someone shoves they probably have your flush beat.

Also why do you wantto signal that you have the nuts , they fold and you get no value so you turned your hand into a bluff. You make nothing when he folds and you lose more when he calls or raises with a better hand.

Ok I'm gonna be honest and say I didn't realise we had the button, I saw utg limp, one fold and then we raise. I assumed MP, didn't see how short handed we were.

Still, raising seems optimistic. We'd raise this hand on the button primarily as an attempt to steal the blinds. That is out of the window when this guy limps. He's obviously calling a standard raise. So we should be raising for value after he limps. 75s is not value.

The fact we're button means I don't hate limping this, but raising just seems dumb.

Villain's VPIP is 56. Hero is BTN. It's 5-handed.

I'm raising 75o to semi-bluff / steal the limp / play an easy draw IP / ISO short stack...
I'm not afraid of this board, and I'm betting small OTF for same reasons as above.

Maybe I'm way off base, by other responses, though.

Steal the limp? Do you anticipate a l/f from this guy? If you're raising because he's gonna call and then c/f a lot of flops, that's better.

Thanks for your comments!

I definitely think raising PF for me was a mistake 5 or 6 handed. I had position and a kind of playable hand but missed the fact that UTG was short stacked, which I will be noticing from now on as I realise that stack size has a larger affect on how you should proceed with a hand that you initially think.I watch videos where the coach would say, yes we can open here with this as we have position and can outplay the Fish post flop. Well, I'm certainly not good enough to confidently do that atm.

The reason one is advised to play a reasonably tight range when you start is that you can get yourself into more awkward and complicated spots if you don't as in the hand above. Keith alludes to all sorts of complex ideas involving reverse implied odds that I'm certainly not comfortable with atm. I should fold or maybe limp behind and just play for a small pot.

I'm of course very happy to steal blinds with this hand vs nits/regs who have pretty high fold to steal.

I'm slowly getting ideas, like 'your turning your hand into a bluff'. I'm still very unsure of decisions OTR where I'm making mistakes folding out worse hands and getting called by better hands. Gotting be thinking more about what each bet will accomplish vs this Villains range.

Originally Posted by OngBonga

Steal the limp? Do you anticipate a l/f from this guy? If you're raising because he's gonna call and then c/f a lot of flops, that's better.

If he's limping 56% and not folding, then I'm betting 75o for value.
If he's calling 56% and not folding flops, then I'm betting 75o for value.
If he's calling 56% and folding flops, then I'm betting to steal with a C-bet, and for value on some turns when he x/c OTF.

We know he's seeing a lot of flops. We should assume he's not folding any piece of the flop, that he'll be calling gutshots, and that he'll probably even call ace high. Too often we're getting called on flop and we're on the turn in a bloated pot with seven high against a fish with half his stack left. That is not value.

If we know he's folding a lot on flop, then ok I can accept the ISO. Otherwise, fold or limp.

Originally Posted by MadMojoMonkey

If he's limping 56% and not folding, then I'm betting 75o for value.
If he's calling 56% and not folding flops, then I'm betting 75o for value.
If he's calling 56% and folding flops, then I'm betting to steal with a C-bet, and for value on some turns when he x/c OTF.

This. I can't see why raising pre should be bad here.