AK VS 3 Shoves Pre Flop.

Table $250 Gtd [Deep], 75203647, Seats 9 (Tournament: $250 Gtd [Deep], 75203647)
Seat 1: DrTrizz101 ($17,648.00 in chips)
Seat 2: dAAAb671 ($18,082.00 in chips)
Seat 3: Sn00pD0g ($3,493.00 in chips)
Seat 4: GolfGirl21 ($6,961.00 in chips) DEALER
Seat 5: KKmrpokerKK ($9,944.00 in chips)
Seat 6: GaryThomasMT ($30,861.00 in chips)
Seat 7: ekwity ($11,880.00 in chips)
Seat 8: sourdesil ($9,303.00 in chips)
Seat 9: ooooo21 ($5,553.00 in chips)
DrTrizz101: Post Ante $20.00
dAAAb671: Post Ante $20.00
Sn00pD0g: Post Ante $20.00
GolfGirl21: Post Ante $20.00
KKmrpokerKK: Post Ante $20.00
GaryThomasMT: Post Ante $20.00
ekwity: Post Ante $20.00
sourdesil: Post Ante $20.00
ooooo21: Post Ante $20.00
KKmrpokerKK: Post SB $100.00
GaryThomasMT: Post BB $200.00
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to sourdesil [Ah Kc]
ekwity: Raise $600.00
sourdesil: Raise $1,800.00
ooooo21: Allin $5,533.00
DrTrizz101: Fold
dAAAb671: Fold
Sn00pD0g: Allin $3,473.00
GolfGirl21: Fold
KKmrpokerKK: Fold
GaryThomasMT: Fold
ekwity: Allin $11,260.00
sourdesil: Fold
I only had between 20-40 hands on everyone at the table, so nothing really as far as reads
Just wondering what you guys think, should I have folded?
by the way this is a $2 tourney

i would not fold

do u think I was correct in 3 betting, and if so what do u think about the sizing?
also, would u not have folded due to pot odds, the cards, or my stack size, ect?

Well I think if you could definitively put him on a range of only KK+ then yeah you're not getting correct pot odds to call. But in general folding AK preflop for these odds is not very good. I'd expect UTG almost always shoves QQ and AK.


http://www.propokertools.com/simulat...+KQs&s=generic
http://www.propokertools.com/simulat...C+AK&s=generic

If you give him KK+ AK (imo too tight, he shoves QQ too), you'll have roughly 13% of the 20600 chip main pot 4 ways and 37% of the 7540 chip side pot heads up. You have to call 7503 chips

EV = (0.13)(20600) + (0.37)(7540) - 7503

EV = -2035 chips, a clear fold



If you give him QQ+ AK:

http://www.propokertools.com/simulat...+KQs&s=generic

http://www.propokertools.com/simulat...C+AK&s=generic

EV = (0.17)(20600) + (0.39)(7540) - 7503

EV = -1060 chips, still a fold.


So math wins out. Nice fold bro!

I think the reason it's a fold is because the other all in players take away your outs vs KK-TT, and the UTG player ends up having massive equity with QQ, when ordinarily you'd be flipping vs that. AK suited here would be a lot better. The suitedness will give you a flat 4% bump to your equity because when you make the nut flush it doesn't much matter what anyone else has.

So, long story short, AKo is a fold, AKs is probably close if not a call, JJ is a call, and QQ is a fistpump call. Also with AK i think you should just call the UTG open and not 3-bet.

I'd just fold here and not think too much of it because our outs are likely diminished and we are going to see KK plus from at least one player. This scenario will come up so infrequently though that it shouldn't matter too much.

You should definitely learn how to do some of the maths that Renton undertakes above though.

Awesome thank you . Im familiar with the EV equation, sometimes I have a hard time putting opponents on a range at the low stakes pre flop.
here is what they actually had
UTG ekwity: Shows [Qc Ac] I have no idea why u would call here after 2 shoves
UTG+3 ooooo21: Shows [Ts As] Possible squeeze?
CO Sn00pD0g: Shows [Qd Qs] I can understand this

the reason I 3 bet was I didn't want 45 ppl flatting behind me am I wrong in thinking this way, or do u think my implied odds are greater when I am multi-way?

Yes, I think that you should folded, so for my opinion you made nice move, because somebody of the other opponents who went all-in, maybe had pocket pair.