BTN Fishy Short stack open

You're not trying to exploit the bb but he's still in the hand, sitting there with 100bb, and you're betting 100bb into a 7bb pot. You're either missing a fuck ton of value from the bb by letting him fold AQ, or getting coolered when he calls his QQ+/AK.

Originally Posted by OngBonga

You're not trying to exploit the bb but he's still in the hand, sitting there with 100bb, and you're betting 100bb into a 7bb pot. You're either missing a fuck ton of value from the bb by letting him fold AQ, or getting coolered when he calls his QQ+/AK.

As Oskar said this isn't true.

Also you've once again assumed we have AK here. We are shoving so much wider. The size of villains stack makes it awkward but when we are trying to exploit that person that should somewhat dominate our range especially when villains aren't going to be adjusting well.

I'm also not 3betting shoving everything, I had a strong hand. But that's why I think it's difficult. If I had something like ATs I'd be a lot more stuck as to what to do.

Originally Posted by Savy

As Oskar said this isn't true.

Also you've once again assumed we have AK here.

No I assume when we have AK we're losing value and when we're weaker we're leaking like a fucked fridge.

Originally Posted by OngBonga

No I assume when we have AK we're losing value and when we're weaker we're leaking like a fucked fridge.

Which, once again as Oksar said, you're wrong about. EVen if he has completely ignored BB snapping they are an overly tight player who is doing this very rarely and as a result we face QQ+, AK and still have some sort of reasonable equity, especially when it goes 3way which it basically always should.

Originally Posted by Savy

Which, once again as Oksar said, you're wrong about.

Oskar is the go to man for confirmation now? If I'm wrong, I'm wrong. But I'd be curious to know how we're making money when we're either something like 60-40 chasing a 25bb profit, or heavily dominated facing a 100bb loss. We're gonna need to get HU vs btn a lot. Maybe we're getting there enough, and therefore making money shoving. Is it the most profitable line though? Where's the analysis on other lines? Tell me I'm wrong when you've done that.

Originally Posted by OngBonga

Oskar is the go to man for confirmation now? If I'm wrong, I'm wrong. But I'd be curious to know how we're making money when we're either something like 60-40 chasing a 25bb profit, or heavily dominated facing a 100bb loss. We're gonna need to get HU vs btn a lot. Maybe we're getting there enough, and therefore making money shoving. Is it the most profitable line though? Where's the analysis on other lines? Tell me I'm wrong when you've done that.

He literally said he put in some ranges in a EV calculator and said we are making lots of money.

Also I've never said this is the best line if anything I've actively said I don't think it is, that doesn't mean shoving here with most of our very strong hands doesn't make us a lot of money. But that Ong is literally why I made the thread in the first place...

If I knew the best line and how to go about finding it perfectly I literally would never post even ona dead forum as I'd be too busy being bored making pennies.